goldilocks

suspect that you are unlikely to get to the person via this forum - maybe drop leaflets through your neighbours letterboxes explaining that it wakes you up every day and could they perhaps find an alternative?

Would imagine that there is a higher likelihood of damage to flats built so close to the road, where large lorries have to pass multiple times a day (deliveries to the building supplies business behind). Also imagine though it was very apparent to people viewing before buying these properties, and that the damage will eventually be repaired by the insurer of the lorry drive.

Also to flag that for some reason it seems really hard to find clubs running in the last week of the summer holidays, so maybe make sure you have enough holiday to cover that one too. There are a couple, but there is much more choice for the first four weeks or so.

The secondary school was on site after Christmas though - this marked increase in traffic only started when the road closure was put in place. Ordinarily i would agree that changes won't occur overnight and there will be short term pain, but in this scenario its so badly thought through and in making 1 residential street less congested / polluted it has pushed extra traffic onto roads where literally thousands of children attend schools. Also because it isn't a joined up approach, it has made driving 'a bit less convenient' but not so much that people are changing behaviour. I think unfortunatly that in this fact pattern it just can't be supportable. Dun Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Yes but it is early days and these delays etc are > the things that make people reconsider how they > use their cars. So if people doing short journeys > then change and walk/bike/bus/train then it is > worth the discomfort for the first few months. We > need to change as a society and often people won?t > change until they are made uncommfortable. It?s a > trial, let?s see what happens 6 months and 12 > months later. > It is unfortunate they started the trial so soon > after the secondary school opened as there are now > 2 new changes affecting traffic.

My friends got Heber at the end of the holidays. Depending on how old your kids are now, there are an excess of primary school places locally so it should be fine. Goodrich is 3 form entry, plus the new Harris is really changing the catchments of other schools - also think Ivydale has expanded. You might not necessarily get your first choice, but you should get somewhere. A bigger consideration for me re that end of East Dulwich would be secondary places if you didn't want single sex. If you're hoping its your forever home it might be something to consider - if its the next 5 years or so, maybe it doesn't matter.

From friends who live on there the schools Kristymac1 listed were certainly the ones they were looking at - though you could be looking at waiting list places rather than first round - more stressful during the wait but doesn't make any difference once you have the place obviously!

a 5k takes you 3 hours??? Henry_17 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Great, now i must pay ?6 to run the Saturday 5k

There are always lots of options - they could also cycle. What is very clear though is that people don't choose to because for a variety of reasons their cars are more 'convenient' for them. Even with better cycling infrastructure (which we are A LONG way off) and improved public transport its pretty clear that getting people out of their cars will need some element of 'stick' as well as 'carrot'. I still don't think though that full time closure of individual roads without a more cohesive plan will make the difference we are looking for as it doesn't prevent the behaviour. Whereas I can see the rationale for school streets as it specifically stops cars idling right outside schools and may make it less beneficial to walk, the same doesn't hold true for ad hoc road closures without some 'destination' on them. Back to the specific case in point, I am still seeing huge additional traffic on East Dulwich Grove - again this morning the queuing around 8:25am was back beyond Melbourne and Derwent Grove (going towards Dulwich village) and pushing extra traffic onto a route with 5 schools on it just doesn't seem to be the right approach.

Without getting into the rude / not rude comments above there are a few points i'd like to make. In principle i'm for measures to encourage people to drive less and use active travel or public transport more. This is especially true for shorter journeys of up to 3-4 miles. Unless you have disabilities then realistically everyone should be considering whether there are better options than sitting in their cars contribution to the congestion that is a huge issue for our area of London. Yes, there are issues that make cycling etc trickier - but they're often not insummountable (panniers / baskets for example help with lots of the stuff that needs carrying, musical instruments don't need taking every day for most children and unless they play cello / double base most can be made into a backpack carrying arrangement and still ride a bike). Cycling is often way quicker than driving or taking a bus too. However, this road closure isn't doing that - it isn't enough really. The pain of it isn't really sufficient to make car drivers choose an alternative means of travel, yet the impact on the alternative routes is significant especially given the amount of schools directly on the routes that the traffic is being re routed onto. We need a much more joined up view of road closures - preferably to ensure that all children have the option of a 'safe route to school' from a pollution perspective to encourage more to travel actively and to make it safer for those who already do so. The congestion around East Dulwich Grove is massively exacerbated by the private schools in our area as their pupils travel from a much wider area and therefore the number of parents driving their children is staggering. Any solution to cut down traffic needs to work with the foundation schools and consider measures to increase alternative forms of travel for their pupils - be it school streets to deter parents driving, more foundation coaches at different times/ with more flexible terms. This isn't intended to come across as "private school bashing", or deflect the very tangible impact each of us can make, but more that closing one road alone isn't helpful.

No - it shouldn't be and as a parent you can be 'that parent' and talk to them about offering better choices for all children. We sent ours to Nellys and at the beginning they were offered sugary puddings every day. Over time and based on parent feedback they changed to fruit / yoghurt. I wouldn't be happy with chocolate ice cream / biscuits every lunch at nursery, although I have to prepare you for school where it seems that the whole Jamie Oliver crusade may as well not have happened. Whilst there is a 'healthy choice', there is also a pudding every day and my 7 year old has never managed to make a healthy choice yet when faced with a biscuit!

Today's deal of the day on amazon was a doorbell with integrated camera. Might put off the culprit if they knew they were being filmed, though hope for your sakes that it's a one off occurrence!

Why do people walk their kids to school - assuming able bodied etc? There will be some who need to go straight off to work after but for many it just seems that its a habit, that they're used to it and their mornings are tailored to it - ie if challenged they would say they don't have time to walk to school, whereas if walking / cycling / scooting was part of the routine they generally would. There are so few children locally who go to a school that isn't possible to get to without driving but it needs a shift in mindset away from 'why shouldn't I', to it being the norm not to drive.

Without wishing to downplay what is undoubtedly a stressful time for those not offered their first / second preference, I'm not sure that comparing the Southwark figures to national figures is a fair comparison. In a lot of areas outside London boroughs parents simply don't have the breadth of choice of potential schools that we have here. I understand that 'choice' may not be the position some people are it, but by it I mean that there are a large number of schools within a reasonably small area given density of population. A better comparison would really be to other London boroughs. James Barber Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hi sarvester, > After chasing via Lib Dem councillors I've > obtained this for 'on time' applications for > secondary school places: > > " > The data below relates to Southwark residents only > and will be used to produce London-wide statistics > that form the basis of the Pan London press > statement, coordinated by London Councils, that > will be released at 5pm today. > ? All 3,048 of Southwark?s on-time secondary > school, applicants have been offered a school > place for September 2019. > ? 2,742 (90.0%) applicants have received a place > at a secondary school of their first to sixth > preference > ? 2,530 (83.0%) applicants have received a place > at a secondary school of their first to third > preference . > ? 1,813 (59.5% ) families received a first > preference school. > ? 306 (10.0%) families without a preference have > been offered an alternative school. > ? 3,042 (99.8%) of Southwark applicants submitted > an on time online application this year. > " > > This doesn't compare will to London or England. > Stats across councils and nationally will be > available from April and summarised by Dept For > Education in June - > https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen > t/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/7156 > 50/2018_School_Application_Offers_Text.pdf > 2018 secondary school offer day 82.1% offered > first choice secondary school in England vs. 59.5% > this year in Southwark, 93.8% across England > offered fist 1-3 choices vs. 83.0&% in Southwark. > > Was this what you were looking for?

They opened but then had to close to re work some of the electrics and said they'd re open later. Not sure since then whether any of the work has been done and whether they have a reopening date ready? There was a thread though that they were commenting on so you could ask on that if you search?

Explains it as it was dreadful this am. Will be interesting to see what tomorrow brings - its strange that there has been so much variation - totally ridiculous tail backs for about 2 weeks followed by 2 days of calm, then 2 days of extreme tailbacks that may have been due to accidents on Grove Lane.

Thanks for the update

Thank you!

Wherever the traffic has been for the past couple of days, it?s back today with a vengeance. Could see queueing towards the crossroads by alleyns all the way back last Matham Grove and beyond!

Does anyone who was at the drop in know if there are any more detailed plans than on this 'glossy leaflet' please?- its not easy to see exactly whats being proposed and whether any of the development will impinge on the MOL.

I came home yesterday to find one of the dreaded 'something for you cards', but I really couldn't make out what was written on it at all. Today I put some recycling out and found my parcel in the blue bin. Yesterday was bin day, though it was green bin collection. I'm not entirely sure that the good outcome here was down to anything other than luck!

Anyone else still having problems with Virgin TV services. Our on demand TV doesn't seem to be functioning well - we rang up and were told there would be a fix, but its still dodgy. Apparently though its ok, as we are getting some of the service we pay for!

Hi there - wondered if there was any update on this please? Do you know when the banners might be put up? Thanks.

If my childhood experiences of waiting for goods in Argos are anything to go by, more people might be subject to fines once Argos opens in Sainsbury's -though I'm hopeful that they're much quicker these days. Think I lost much of my teenage years waiting for 'Elizabeth Duke' jewellery!

Anyone any idea about whats replacing Threshers yet? Having been down Lordship Lane yet this week so apologies if its very obvious now. Would be interested to know what's going in there though.

I think as noted above by bels123, the traffic on East Dulwich Grove has been terrible for months, my point was that since the start of the trial closure, the tailbacks were longer than ever - they never used to go past Melbourne Grove, but on occasions during the trial they have been backed up past Matham Grove. This week however, it appears to have gone back to a more normal (congested) level so far. I have no idea why this would be the case, but its welcome!