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Thanks for your postings uncleglen. As someone without a business/economics background always useful to hear the other side of the argument. I've been around more than half a century (from relatively humble stock) but don't recognise the Britain that you are talking about from my childhood. It was all pretty grim and black and white from memory. Well you've clearly got some strong views and I am sure that you will be reminding us of it. But perhaps going back to my childhood there were lots of positives. We wore short trousers irrespective of the weather. We were slapped with a ruler by the teacher for being the slightest bit naughty. We were intolerent of other nationalities, sexual preferences and other beliefs. We were encouraged to throw stones at the 'queer' (odd) kids at school just because nobody knew about (or appreciated) childhood mental health issues and behavioural issues. It was your civil duty to shout 'mong' at anyone who looked slightly weird. Men knew their place in society, and women even more so. Most of us smoked (even as children) and all benefited from the more sociable office, pub and eateries environments. And we had iced buns for treats, and were allowed to spend our bus money on sweets if we walked home. None of this nonsense about health, diet and nutrition. And I still have a few teeth left, some of the front ones don't even have fillings. We had that excellent currency where you had to divide things by 12 or times by 20. Not all this silliness about multiples of ten. Thank God Napolian didn't win. And we all bought Austin (ie British Leyland) cars as they were made very well locally. It is clearly a clearly a quasi socialist dirty foreigner plot to pretend otherwise. Those bally useless VW golfs. What rubbish. Ah takes me back. But there was an unsavoury side to all of this. As kids of 9 or 10, we walked home from school past a chap of around 40, building his own house. He invited us, to ...... show us his bulding work. We'd pop in most days to see how he was getting on. My parents came past one day and thanked him for being so friendly. He didn't even get his John Thomas out once. So not everything about pre-1973 Britain was great.

It will make me very angry. I managed to not watch it tonight.

So firstly an apology - I have seemed a bit insensitive and probably should have softened my posts. I do get a bit knee-jerky myself to what I see as pompous views("they should hang them all" "I am perfect") but of course my posts could be read in a similar way. So apologies that my posts came over as crass and unsympathetic to some rather than proking discussion. I'll make a mental note to review and reflect before posting on sensitive matters. I'm actually putting down thoughts on paper on how to improve driver behaviour to make some proposals. Nothing specifically to do with drivers and cyclists, but safety does come into it. Anyway to return to my conciliatory thoughts, I've done many thing I am not proud of in my life and put down to childish naughtiness, teenage hormones, alcohol, bloody mindedness etc. Maybe some of this is a product of my age. I've never thrown bottles of urine at anyone, but some of the immature stuff we did as students (you can see where this is going) now makes me shudder. A sort of "he who casts the first stone" sort of comment. Maybe this rings a bell, or maybe not. I'd better get on with my paper. PS if any one wants to advise me on speell checking my posts, and also how to0 embed a nice pictur of the link (ie for youtube videos) pleaese PM me. PS the guy shooting fireworks over cylists in Rye Lane a couple of years ago was one of my strangest encounters on a bike. The police said they'd be over in a couple of hours. He was sensible enough not to aim it at us. Anyone for a mass group hug?

PM me - I may be able to help but wont know until I know more. Churlish to say but trade unions are members' organisations negotiating collectively whilst supporting the individual. Not some evil empire. Anyway PM me if you don'd mind and the least I can do if offer an opinion - clearly in private

Trouble is glacier white is almost blue. Much better the old days when whites were creamier as they hadn't started adding the strong white pigment titatinium dioxide to paints. Bit like teeth really. jaybee82 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > My dads got a can of Nissan Bluebird 'Glacier > White' and some masking tape?? > > Just make sure you close your eyes.

Oh dear, we are getting a bit uppity. I gave up scanning through the thread. Simply trying to inject a little perspective/proportionality. With all the bad feeling and reactionary stuff you may understand why I suggested that it was time for a group hug. Now I could happily spend an evening in the pub telling you about the numerous incidents over the last 30 years including being left dead by a hit and run driver, and road rage. And at times where I wasn't too clever in antagonising drivers. I know shed loads about transport policy and roads, and I am surprised by some of the new cycle routes that funnel some cyclists into directions that they don't want to go in or pinch points that weren't there before. The new signalling and routes can cause congestion that wasn't there before, delaying buses, and pissing off drivers who occasionally then take it out on cyclists. The routing around the old Elephant roundabout, going contraflow and then doubling back to to down towards the War Museum is just bizarre. Perhaps it improves the traffic flow from Camberwell? So don't any of you lecture me about not using cycle lanes. Nor whether I wear a helmet, which is my choice (and in recent years decided to to). If the cabby who thought it appropriate to give me a scare yesterday had not been in the advanced stop lane, then I would have been well clear as I am every evening, by the time he had got on the NKR. So rant over. I understand that segregated cycle lanes are appreciated by many and will improve cycle safety. I take up my gripes on routing and design with people like the head of LCC and with Sothwark Cyclists. Give me a quiet route rather than a segregated cycle lane on a main road any day. My two faves are the A4 going out to Heathrow and the A13 when it is essentially an urban motorway. Such fun! Love and peace SE22

OK a reality check. If you go through life with this being your worst attack then you have done OK. If the worst thing that that kid does in his life is chuck piss then society has done OK. I wont list the personal threats that I have had cycling but fortunately the list is short. Yesterday a taxi driver decided to drive close to me in the rain to teach me a lesson for daring not to use a (pointless) segregated cycle lane on the elephant roundabout. Yet only one in thousands of cabbies is like that. Spookily he had a cartoon of a cabbie urinating on an uber driver in his back window That doesn't diminish that you were assaulted and the effect that it has had on you. Even if the police do not act this time it is intelligence and if a regular thing they will do something. I'd also contact the school. The kid will be bragging and someone may well shop him. Better that they intervene at this age rather than let the kid go seriously off the rails. They may even have a suspicion who it is. (assuming that he may go to the school)

Local, but I doubt with the number of posts we have critical mass. Persuade me otherwise. We could do it at the police station, of the Crystal Palace Tavern, or other well none landmark.

Nah, a hug rather than a protest. Done too much moaning and protesting recently. Flash mob/hug. Although thinking about it a conga may be OK if it is happy. Or optional conga/hug. To be even more serious it would be quite a nice gesture and dare I even say it get some nice publicity.

With so much crap going on could we get together for a mass group hug? I'm not great at organising such things so perhaps one of you out there could organise? I think that its the sort of thing that younger people do through more instantaneous social media.

Civil Aviation Authority provides good advice and a template. The airline will riggle out of it and it would be good to know if anyone has been successful in such a situation.

???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I expect that all us groovy fookers know that the original lyris were "I'm so bored of you" (not I'm so bored of the USA). Spookily enough at the age of 16 hearing this (rather than all the prog rock crap that the upper 6th played in the common room) changed my life. Had me hair cut short, bought some seconds Levi drainpipe jeans from the market and was given my uncle's genuine WW2 army shirt (desert). Cool or what? And as I mellow I can even listen to some of the prog rock crap nowadays. And other genres I hated at the age of 16.

Worth waiting for special offers from Lidl no computing stuff at present www.lidl.co.uk/en/our-offers-2491.htm?action=showDetail&id=38680 We were persuaded to buy a Macbook about ten years ago. Never got any good use out of it and then found out that the software was no longer supported.

I'm about to make a claim following a five hour delay from a small airport in France. The airport was not up to the job and hence we were transferred to a better airport about an hour away. The airline is one of the main budget ones, and I expect them to argue that the delay was outside of their control (weather). My argument is that a five hour delay was totally unreasonable and the there should be plans in place to shift passengers quickly and smoothly in such situations. Without having a pop at the airline (that uses Stansted as a hub), it would be great to hear of other's experiences. Also whether it is OK to also claim from my insuarance (a free policy from my bank, I wouldn't usually bother with short haul). Thanks in advance.

With the risk of souding a little bigoted, where the caller sounds educated I say this, and advise them to get a job working for society rather than against it. Oddly the phone has usually gone down before the sentence if finished. More recent scam calls have been very friendly, calling me by my first name so that I assume I instigated the business. Clearly none of ths applies to Specsavers in Peckham who seemed to have no telephone maners at all. Not sure if I have managed to turn anyones's life around but there seems to be no shortage of people in the UK to make the calls. I'm not going to digress about foreign call centres.

Bigger question is why TF people buy this and worse still believe it. I just occasionally have to skim through it to remind me how vile it is. Nothing nice, no rays of sunshine. Not that the centre ground or more lefty papers always have it right I hasten to add. I'd like to think the written page was less influencial but you will probably know that the DM web site is the most popular one (in the world? or just UK??)

God that was dire. I watched about 20 minutes of it, not rushing home from work and then deciding that Have I Got News for You was much more entertaining. Was it the dirge that the England fans were making that made me feel this way, or the football (or the bloody pink shirts). Genuninely open question. I'm at my lowest interest in the national team for 30 years. Probably make that the lowest ebb as I had a much more interesting social life 30 years ago so it was as much due to competing interests rather than the quality of football and atmosphere.

Specially for Salsaboy, and perhaps Grok, tickets going for Ricky Gervais for Children in Need. Go on, you know you want to, don't let me stand in your way http://www.bbc.co.uk/showsandtours/shows/children_in_need_insert_16nov16

This was an edited view but probably reflects British society too. Lincolnshire. There, I have said it. I think that it is fine to preach from our liberal safe haven, but interesting to hear from those living in the separate world out there. This is posted purely for debate rather than to inflame emotions!

Interesting perspective from a Brit I know across the pond in Memphis. Any national vote has any number of groups turning out for different reasons. In any vote you'll have dyed in the wool types of whichever side of the spectrum and then you'll have tepids who turn out when they feel so inspired. In this election it wasn't so much about the reactionaries turning out it was the liberals staying at home. The turnout was hugely lower than 2012 which in turn was hugely lower than 2008. You need only look at the figures. If people want to secure liberal gains they need - as we political scientists say in technical parlance - to get off their arses and vote for it. After the outcome there's a lot going round here (perhaps in all the world for all I know) about some of the rural left-behinds. It's actually a decent point about groups who have been largely abandoned in traditional communities and how little in practical terms is done to address the issue of change brought about by changes in manufacturing and trade. By the way, although all the talk is about the hillbilly rednecks this is a huge problem in rural black communities too. Before all the manufacturing went to Mexico or China they used to like to build factories in places like Alabama or Mississippi where lesser union regs and cheap cost so of living meant reduced manufacturing costs. Anyway these hillbilly demographics aren't the whole reason the election was lost but it did make a difference. The bulk of the republican vote has little to do with male privilege. The are huge swathes of fundamental religious folk who will put their reasons for voting as number one "pro-life", number two pro-gun. Despite the ironies implicit in this these people are very real and very prevalent. Also very hard to understand from a European perspective. One thing worth bearing in mind in a nation so very spread out and with a fairly light government support net is the role of the church in providing help and support and basic things like community meeting places. They really are enmeshed in the fabric of - especially rural - life and so the churches have a much stronger cultural prevalence the in Europe whee other structures have largely superseded.

I popped into a Sainsburys store near to Wokingham once. I of course noticed that the DMs were piled high, but they had a single copy of the Morning Star, which I just had to buy. I told the assistant that they needed to order more (it was a few years ago, so you still had people on tills). She didn't know what the Morning Star was. Hope you lot do. Up the workers.

The co-op bank invested in some dodgy things. I suggest burning torches and mobs. Sorted out the poll tax.

I write to many letters of complaint I wrote a letter of thanks yesterday to Timpson. What? Timpson, the key cutting chain? Why on earth? I tried to write a letter of thanks to Peckham Plex but couldn't find an address. Of course these are electonic letters (e mails/web) If you ask me nicely I will tell why I thanked them. I owe a letter of thanks to Britanny Ferries and Eurostar. Both stars.

If anonymous don't see any probs sharing. Sadly I don't have the answer but imagine many relationships are like this. Do try 'Relate' if no one else has suggested, I am sure that is used to be free. Of course both of you will want to do this. https://www.relate.org.uk/about-us/faqs/how-much-does-counselling-cost I thought that going to relate was compullsory before you could get a divorce. Not that I am suggesting the latter but thought that successive governments were keen on stable relationships. It was of course once the mariage guidance council. Actually just had a quick look at the home page and looks really useful in a variety of circumstances. Whats worse is that I should be tidying up which helps marital harmony and what am I doing? Meddling. Nuff said!

Don't just post this I scrolled down the attachment and was none the wiser. People over 30 need a few words of guidance.