malumbu

The death penalty. The perfect example of why big decisons should be left to our elected representatives rather than a public vote. One thing that I agree with Thatcher about (ie not having referendums on difficult issues)

???? So it is all the Turks fault then????

Would normally contact Horniman direct but I understand that they are very keen in monitoring social media. Anyway I understand that since you took over the contract the market is dying a slow death with reduced visitors and stalls. Hope others on this site can join in with me to encourage you to get this reversed.

Great, something to distract me from my overall mailaise. Apparently a good thing, but I shouldn't have turned the heap as I'll now wake with loads of little bite spots. Makes a change from the mossie's I suppose. http://www.gardenersworld.com/forum/thread/?threadId=59032

The BBC news article in Stoke on Trent seem to have it right. Portmerion potery saying that they were expecting getting of for a reduction in 20% of sales due to economic uncertainty. The rabid lady on interviewed on the streets was more optimistic - come back in a year and we will show you. Why she was so angry I couldn't work out seeing as she had 'won'.

It's a basket cast with great strategic importance - water reserves, bordering countries, secular, questionable human rights, etc etc. Many of us consider that it is a wonderful place to visit. Amazing history not helped by being on the wrong side in the Great War. Discussions about joining the EU from my fairly priviledged take were - do we want it to be in, so we can get them to reform whilst getting the sort of deals that is good for European and world stability or get them to sort their act out first. Proper debate. The Brexit posters and those of you who believe and quote this is just horrid xenophobia and racism. Forget the small Polski Sleps and delis, every independent super and mini market from South side of Westminster Bridge all the way to Forest Hill Road is probably Turkish run. And we like shopping their too. Embrace it.

7 out of the 12 posts are off on a tangent. What are you lot like?! I've mourned the loss of the Big Chill but fancy this (for next year - but others may wish to try it this) http://lakefest.co.uk/ Sane venue and under a ton, I'm always horrified by the cost of most festivals, of course when I first went to to Glastonbury there was change out of a score, that is if you even paid. But with so much on the massive hike in price is no doubt justifice. Don't think so on the other biggies. And the above sounds far less twee than Lattitude (he says with his/her fingers down his/her throat)

I try to move on but it is so difficult. I hate the mantra - the British public has made up its mind. Well a snapshot of 52 % on a bad day is far from unanimous. I now have to be a good boy and tow the party line about the best deal and opportunities this all presents. Meanwhile more and more lunatics are taking over the assylum. I've just come back from the French Embassy and saw the golden mop of Bojo. Heard someone talk about booing and was pleasantly surprised that this in deed did happen. Being on business of course I was far too well behaved. But I have heard him talk in the past about London's position and influence amongst the great cities of Europe, without a hint of Eurosceptism. Now he dares to say how we are still an important part of Europe. Just pull up the drawbridge you loathsome duplicitous arrrrs. When will anger subside. When will it get better????

Got a place in Britanny. It cost bugger all and it was worth half of that even before the recent nonsense. Area is depopuated and there was already plenty of property for sale. Couldn't give a cuss about the expats out there as they are all rabid. They hate France, do not assimilate, but hate what Britain has become, whatever that means. They still managed to bite the hand that feeds. Should imagine that SW France is far more sophisticated in terms of oweners abroad. I am far more concerned about the damage to the UK than my place in France. Interesting that France seems to adopt much more protectionist policies than the UK including their builders. This ends up in higher prices for work, and then very poor English builders then offering to do it cash in hand. Careful of what you wish for UK builders! PS I've had a few nice EDFers at my place, I love the area and France.

No, they are horrid. Don't. Splash the cash and get hardwood, properly sealed, preferably finished with a white stain that it pressure blasted into the wood to give a good decade or more without refinishing. You'll be a convert and be forever grateful.

I've got a place in Liverpool if anyone wants to start up a BTL portfolio. Four bed Edwardian terrace, 3 miles from the town centre and a couple from Anfield/Goodison. Returns around ?650 a month unfurnished. ?85k. I would have sold it ten years ago but I had a family in it who were fine paying low rent and looking after it. Then they split up and the bloke treated it like a s... hole. It's been a pain in the neck and I have no interest in it whatsoever just couldn't sell it. I started in my 20s buying cheap terraces for students to live in. I was great, and most of my tenants loved me, some staying several years. When I was closer in age I'd occasionally socialise with tehm. Some weren't so nice and I took the damage on the chin. House prices and rents are still very cheap in Liverpool as there is no industry any more and the middle classes generally move out to Cheshire. The rise of the small BTL, larger landlords, universities building new halls, and changes in student life style/expectations changed the market greatly. It was no longer fun nor financially worth it so I sold on. There were no BTL mortgages when I did it so you had to box clever with loans. I've got no interest in the subject anymore, and this is merely me seeing if anyone is excited enough to make me an offer (with tenants til the New Year). Always paid my taxes - the jump in CGT was a hell of a shock but so be it. Funny how the investment programmes never mention CGT.

A bit of a late posting but what bloody awful kits at the Wales/Portugal match. Wales had to change being the 'away' team, but who on earth decided on the Portugal kit let alone advised them to play in it. And why didn't I watch the more entertaing Murray 5th set instead of the dull first half? At least we had white vs blue tonight.

I've been thinking further on this. The reason that the butcher, baker and candlestick maker shops aren't there is because people didn't shop in them. They'd prefer to go to warehouse shops (we had a cracking sports shop and a cracking camping shop in the 80s). On globalisation why have a camping shop when you can buy a whole Glasonbury camping kit for ?20 from Halfords and then dump it at the end of the day. Made in a sweat shop but do the masses care? Me I'd rather to to Finches for decent outdoor stuff, but it doesn't stop me from buying the cheap stuff from Decathlon so I am no angel.. France kept its tobaconists, local boulangeries etc due to proectionionism. Would we be prepared to pay the price for this? I doubt it. So, yes, it goes well beyond the EU but people get the high street that they deserve and voting leave aint going to magically change things. I was in Rochester High Street today which is quite lovely. But that and the voting of North Kent is for another day!

I'm from a former market town, now part of a conurbation. House prices and the local economy are reasonably healthy. There are a few but not many pockets of urban poor. Fruit and veg picking when I was young was by kids and settled travelers. Assume that this will now be by Eastern Europeans. It is conservative with a small and large C. A pretty area with views out to Wales and the South West. Excellent transport links Yet the high street is dead, market long since gone, so to many of the pubs. I've seen links to Facebook groups 'celebrating' how dull the place is and others to some sort of 'reclaim the flag of St George' - not quite EDL. It was 60/40 Brexit. I really don't have any connection with the town of my upbringing any more and feel ashamed of it. The EU has nothing to do with the sate of the place. Can anyone convince me otherwise?

Probably best not to break down in France on a weekend in July. This is not an anti-France comment but a statement of fact. Mechanical advice is severely lacking. RAC wanted to scrap the vehicle in France as they said it was uneconomical to repatriate. Paid over ?200 to get it off the motorway - first breakdown company suggested it was ok to continue the journey. By the time the second came along the engine was seized. The money is purely to get it off the motorway, not recover it anywhere useful. A bit of luck making Chatres to get to Paris by train for the final quarter final, and that we were so close to a Peugeot dealer (being a Citreon Berlingo van) and that a young and helpful chap had good enough English (my technical French isn't good enough). Managed to cut a deal with RAC to get it to Caen, and then my policy to get it back from Portsmouth. Hats off to Britanny Ferries for towing it on and then pushing it off at Portsmouth. The final recovery in France was awful - three hours late, a breakdown truck that was in worse condition than our van, a driver who clearly wasn't a professional driver, took 40 odd calls on his phone, changing gear with the wrong hands, didn't have a map and couldn't work the sat nav so we ended on the wrong side of the estuary. Great to hear of others experiences breaking down in Europe. Ie the bit on the other side of the channel to our small island.

Not long haul but I really fancy Georgia.

I was going to post to apologise for my long rant yesterday having just returned from France and a bit tired and emotional. But having returned to work found that none of the anger has subsided. Thinking back to my brother in law two of his kids worked in Europe in tourism in their 20s. What a selfish arse.

Nasty piece of advertising but this was about illegal immigration. And... despite the failure of delivering promises was it really worth the risk of harm that leaving could result in (ie a disproportionate response to what could still be seen as something that the politicians could do more to sort?). Good timing of thread as if you don't mind me broadening (and apols as this has no doubt been discussed before) Did (a) Cameron lie on reducing net immigration (b) was he poorly advised (my take) © How was he going to achieve it

I had lunch with my sister and brother in law on the Sunday after who were in equal shock/depression/anger as me. I questioned how my older sister voted expecting to hear 'leave' (coming from Tamworth - sorry this is how I feel) and heard she voted stay but her husband voted leave. I've just spent a week with him in France, I know that he is a xenophobe and has some sense of 'British superiority'. He and his family travel in Europe on holiday and I sense they take in none of the culture. There was an undercurrent of despising the French with the odd stereotypical comment made. I sensed that he hated their food and took in none of their culture. I kept my powder dry but had a big argument after the Wales match that he had trashed our future on what appeared to be having a bit of fun. He just came back with all the arguments of the Brexit campaign in one liners. It was made worse that he'd actually read stuff. Now this all sounds like me staring down my nose at him and me looking like a snob. Or the London intellectual political classes that he acused me of being ("you lot are just sore losers"). We come from the same area, same background (he went to a grammer shcool, me a scummy comp). I chose to better myself in many ways. All those that I have vague connections with from my home town/school on Facebook will be going. My Green friends who were part of Jenny Jones leave campaign are no longer friends (there is other stuff here I hasten to add). Vague contacts from school and my home town on Facebook will all go. So sad that this has polarised feeling across the country but so be it. I've never never blanked friends for their political views. Came close with one who voted UKIP to stir things up but she also voted to leave so that is that too. I'll have to work out how to handle my brother in law but it has made me see things how they are.

Just come back from France. I'd posted elsewhere probably on the Brexit thread about my worry of the perfect storm ('Leave' and then seeing England in Paris). I would have happily lived with the second, but at least I didn't have the two. Bit of a dull wet day in Paris, got lost in the rough bit of St Denis and only found the more fun part of town close to the match. Hanging around the stadium two hours before kick off would have been truly awful (about as pleasant as outside of Wembley. Was sitting just behind the Iceland fans who were immense. A great atmosphere around Paris before hand and in the 20 minutes before kick off inside the ground. Dunno what the clapping was about but great fun to join in. Hats off and so sad that France were clinical in the first half, with three goals maybe avoidable. All credit that they kept on going. Lovely stadium too, and brill public transport links. And whilst this may all sound anti-French their fans were good as well, and very rowdy (but good spirited) in town afterwards. I did joke with a few Icelandic fans about nicking our tunes and that they shoud be doing Bjork or the Sugercubes (with my own bad rendition). So much better than how many of our lot would have behaved. There were a few English arses in the Irish pub on the left bank but not great in number. And then on the RER (train) afterwards an arrest. Why is he being arrested I say? Because he was a cnut say his friends and had taunted the police about Agincourt and World War I. I say you should get your history right mate, the value of a secular republic, and that in some respects for the masses winning the battle of Waterloo was not a good thing as the poor paid for it in England (I also said to read up on WWI and II). He says how great the monarchy is, and how we will bounce back with trade deals with the Chinese and Russians. I apologise that many of the older generation has let the younger generation down, and then bade him good wishes as he got off at Gard du Nord to return to his small island, whilst we went onto the great joys of Chatres. So why are so many England fans arses? Would have happily (and disappointed not to have been able to do so) supported the Welsh and Irish. And my biggest cheers was in the Breton pub (in Brittany) seeing Volkes on telly head in the third. As well as James Chester clearly being the best defended in the competition. malumbu Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hooray - I get to see Ireland vs Iceland in the > quarters. Ireland fans songs are great. Does > anyone know any Iceland ditties (apart from mum's > gone to Iceland). > > Used to work in an Irish/West Indian pub near the > Villa. Remember some great pop songs of the day > on the jukebox and soul/reggae but they also had > some dreadful Irish novelty pop songs. Can't > remember any of the names.

Well they do and we don't. Damn cheating continentals eh?! I thought this sort of envy had been exoricised after the 0-4 in South Africa. Apologies for jumping down your throat. I am a bit sensitive at the moment to relations with our good friends in Europe.

Thanks for making me laugh rahrahrah with your analagy. Not a lot to laugh about recently, just lots of depression. rahrahrah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Voting to leave, really isn't voting for anything. > It's voting against something. That is literally > all the disparate bunch of miscreants leading the > leave campaign had in common with each other - the > fact that they didn't like the EU. Well fine, but > that is like travelling in a plane that is > uncomfortable and expensive and has a stop off you > would prefer not to have to make and so saying [[[[ "i > don't like this", opening the door and jumping > out. ]]] > It's clear that they all have wildly different > (although universally half formed) ideas about > what would happen next. It's really not good > enough. Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson is > today berating the government for not having a > plan for what would happen post-Brexit. Do none of > the Leavers feel that perhaps they should have > been thinking about next moves before encouraging > us to all jump from that plane?

Not allowed to call it Champagne. As that has to come from the Champagne area. And at the same time before you get on your high horses Melton Mowbray pork pies have to come from Melton Mowbray. Funny how our friends over the water have been much better ar protecting their national idenities. Nowt to do with Brussels. In the Germany World Cup the country insisted that local beers had to be avaialble rather than rolling down and dying as we did in the Olympics. Called big business, and passive consumers. Nowt to do with Brussels. Your right, I need to get off this site PDQ. Looking forward to compulsory smoking back in the office and groping younger staff. Back to the good old days eh? Right, off never to come back

I am just getting angrier. I did my philosophical bit on Friday. At least there is a thread where I can express this. I don't want to calm down. I just shift my blame on varous parties - Cameron for a gross error of judgment, and being frightened to take on his own party, Johnson for zero priciples and naked ambiton, Corbyn and those who voted for him, the poor labour general election campaign and the people who are saying "my relatives fought world domination by Germany, I've just done the same". I will lose friends. I do not want to visit my region of birth. I don't even want to stray outside the M25. Stay angry with me. I am visiting France tomorrow (I can still travel to mainland Europe and Ireland). I am so sorry.

?250k a year for his weekly Telegraph piece aint bad.