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More on the mess we now have to sort our. Worrying that Brexit Ministers will be driving this. http://www.globalgovernmentforum.com/brexit-will-be-largest-legal-legislative-and-bureaucratic-project-in-british-history-says-former-uk-treasury-solicitor/ On a separate note not sure who is the architect for the break up of the union, Cameron or Johnson. Let's just say that it was lost on the playing fields of Eton. Can some person please scrawl on the leave posters close to the Harvester "oh my God what have you done"

Sorry that was all over the place. My reference to how confusing the EU was, was trying to show sympathy for the masses. On further reflection I need to vent my anger against Gove, Johnson and Hilton. I expect that Farage followers would have voted for Brexit however the debate had gone.

It was refreshing to hear at least one Brexiter is considering what they have done. Cutting off their nose to spite not only their own face but future generations. I've been through so many emotions in the last day and a half. I'm tired and grumpy. I've been impressed by many of the posts and face to face discussions with people who feel similar to me. I was trying to be philosophical and understand the views of the many who feel out of touch with the political system and have been affected as their communities change. Now I am angry at the ignorance and harm. I've had a lot do do with the EU for a number of years and it still confuses me. I recall issues about the Common Agricultural Policy yet barely a mention in the last few weeks. The Commission are slow, ponderous and bureaucratic. A friend couldn't stand the lack of structure and purpose in her post and left her secondment. How can we get political union without financial union. Loads of negatives here and I still don't understand it. When I went to a presentation with MPs and various top brass on protecting biodiversity the lady from the Commission was impossible to follow and confused me. Then the government gave their position and it was clear that we can't be trusted on the environment. This wasn't my road to Damascus. I was never going to vote any differently. Just with all the fugg about how it operates we failed to get the benefits over.

I sharpen my own chisels but you need a proper guide unless you are good enough to do freehand. I'll keep you all posted. Years ago a bloke called and sharpened things for us but it was not that professional.

It's cheesy but it's cheered me up

How about a thread entitled who'd be best as the next PM. Is Rees Mogg the chap who went out with a Cheeky Girl. If so he'd get my vote. And Teresa May, well there is a good song there. Teresa May, you should have stayed at home yesterday. We are the cheeky girls... Gotta get some joy....

Louisa Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > WorkingMummy of course I have empathy for you and > others who have/will suffer as a result of this > decision. It was never going to be easy, and as I > have conceded multiple times on this forum, we > have a tough few years ahead for everyone and we > cannot underestimate the road ahead. I can only > imagine it is devestating for those directly > affected, but it's early days and we cannot be > sure what will happen so do not lose hope. > > The EU may well try and make brexit difficult, it > may have to prevent a growing backlash in other > countries tempted by the jump ship mentality, who > knows? Either way, we have to make this work. > > In terms of some people being cavalier, I think > you perhaps misinterpret the absolute feeling of > isolation and resentment in the poorest regions of > England. Stakeholders in this EU project, many of > whom have qualified for regional donations to > support deprived communities. They have a great > deal of personal attachment to this vote, some are > below the poverty line and have desperately been > waiting for this day to finally have a voice. So > as much as I respect and appreciate your > predicament, don't underestimate or dismiss the > similar position others have been in for some > years now. > > Louisa. Can't you just have your own thread Louisa "over the moon that we are leaving the EU" and then your friends can join you. You can then leave this discussion to the majority of us who just want to figure out how it could have all gone wrong, and how on earth we can move on. Now I am commpletely flipped off but fortunately do have some other mattes to focus on in my life, even through this surreal fugg. I'd love to ask if you have any interests but that would be churlish and invite a reply. So why not set up that separate thread I am suggsting and I promise not to even look at it or I will eat Paddy Ashdown's hat it I react otherwise.

I'd prefer Trump. Yes things are that bad. Time to get behind Jessa (Corbyn not Clarkson)

If we'd had a 52/58 the other way around we would have got a clear message that too many people were isolated from Westminster, too many people had real concerns about immigration (and perhaps some other issues), and that we very much needed to do a lot of rebuilding of society and trust in our leaders. We got the same message with the result, yet we no longer have the influence to force fundamental change in the EU, we have the mess that is now the Tory party, the liklihood of some nutter of a PM, and all the damage that Brexit will lead to. Did all of those who voted out want all of this. I doubt it. PS Louisa - none of this is critical of the motives of many of the people who voted no. Perhaps it is time for you to back off whilst we lick our wounds, consider damage limitation and try to move forward.

Thought that would get your attention. There is a knif sharpener Sharpsmith in SE22 - anyone used them? Get fed up of Garden Centres shrugging their shoulders, in particuarky one of the big ones in SE23 just telling me to buy new garden tools. I'be got some proper British Sheffield made shears. https://www.yell.com/biz/sharpsmith-london-7632268/

Hooray - I get to see Ireland vs Iceland in the quarters. Ireland fans songs are great. Does anyone know any Iceland ditties (apart from mum's gone to Iceland). Used to work in an Irish/West Indian pub near the Villa. Remember some great pop songs of the day on the jukebox and soul/reggae but they also had some dreadful Irish novelty pop songs. Can't remember any of the names.

Saw Paul Brady the Irish folk singer at a 100 year celebration of the Irish martyrs. Most of his songs seem to be about how badly the English treated the Irish and the nationalist cause. He even joked that he played at a Queen's 90th birthday event and his daughter, who llved in London, was worried that he would offend her maj saying to him "no dad, it's not like this any more, we all like each other nowadays." Nothing wrong with a bit of national pride as long as it doesn't come with superiority and xenophobia. I'd never dissected the lyrics on Flower of Scotland but it is about giving the British army a kicking (amd lost of Scots were in the British Army). To me it is a nice proud sing a long. And Bread of Heaven. And Waltzing Matilda. And Molly Malone. Don't feel the same about GSTQ, Jerusalem and Land of Hope and Glory. Swing Low is a real odd one. Perhaps I am being too precious. I did start a thread on a new national anthem where I favoured the South Afican one. Can we compete with this? http://www.walesonline.co.uk/lifestyle/fun-stuff/10-rousing-songs-you-mood-6774715 The Levellers, the Clash, Oasis??

Watching a team that that are better known for defending rather than creativity, I know that we will lose most times at the Emirates because the Arse have the talent to unlock our defence. That should have been the case last night. You can see the world half full at ITV did, or the reality check of BBC sport that put a disappointing display into context. Did we win one cross into the penalty area all night? That was of course the crosses that cleared the first man, and that didn't clear the last man. Not too many of these Hey ho, if it is England/France then it should be more entertaining. And not all England fans are those that I tend to stereotype. Just on previous experience - Cologne when England were arriving and Manaus when England were leaving - there was an unpleasant atmosphere in town.

Struth. I've got tickets for the fourth quarter final. Hoping of course it would be Frande Wales. But now... anyone but England please. I don't want to get into small minded nationalistic bolloxs. Getting pissed and singing Ingerland, Ingerland in the local square. And skirmishes and fights. I am a republican and an atheist. WTF would I want to sing the national anthem of the UK? We only have one song. Well about three actually. I saw the US in Brazil. Their fans are annoying but passionate and creative. I've loved the Welsh, Northern Irish and ROI fans. But not ours. And there could be a perfect storm if we leave Europe. Spose I will just have to support the French then. I was in Gelsenkirchen 10 years ago trying to score some tickets for Argentina vs England. I met some people from my home town who told me whilst they lived in England they supported Scotland as there dad was Scottish. And we had a round of Flower of Scotland. That is a good one. Brings tears to the eyes. www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vkYiCdn834 Was trying to also find a clip of the Metropolitan Police band who used to play at Islington Library at 3pm in the 70s but none seem to exist.

Sorry, all the small teams would have continued to have good seasons.

Quality of posts most exceptional. Only looked through it to post about an early exit for the French. Dulwich of course was famed for its vegetables and in olden days lots of market gardening in the area, and down the road big on pears/perry.

Why laminated? Surely if this is the case all single glazed windows whould be laminated. Simlite do thin unit double glazing - as recommended by Mr Grand designs himeself http://www.sashglass.co.uk/

edcam Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > My dear departed Dad always refused to let us do > Father's Day - he loathed this celebration that > was invented purely for people to make money. I > agree with him now. Me too. But when they are young can't you say no! Just told my teenager no, but then said why not bake me a cake. Not a fan of mothering Sunday either as this is supposed to celebrate mother church. Perhaps we should be nice to our parents every sunday!

I was thinking pyradine to remove the water but that is added to put people of drining the stuff. Anyway its been a long time since I was in the lab and I thought that to remove the final percent or two of water something had to be used that would still be present in trace quantities. Aternatively I could be getting mixed up with IMS which is full of nasties. But this was a time when none of us wore gloves and handled benzene and chlorinated solvents without a care... Not good days.

Vodka is essentially pure alcohol and water. The higher strength stuff will be 50%. Polish spirit is essentially vodka but may be stronger. You could freeze it, remove the ice, and you will have something stronger. It's called fractional distillation. Alcohol is not paticularly nice without flavouring - malted barley, hops, can suger, juniper berries, compounds from wood, fruits (fermented grapes for example). Alcohol has a duty on it to raise revenues and discourage heavy drinking. Alcohols used for other purposes will have an even higher duty and will have nasties put in it to make you puke. Methylated spirits. As the alcohol content nears 100% you start getting nasties carrying over in the process (distillation) one being methanol that can make you blind. Distillation cannot produce 100% pure alcohol and some nasties are put in to remove the last couple of percent of water. So don't break into a laboratory and steal either their industrial methylated spirits or pure alcohol. As a chemistry graduate many of us set up stills to distill various crap that we had fermented. Tne product was great but nobody would drink it as they didn't trust us. And it was illegal. Wasn't worth the time and effort but rights of passage.

Well shame we weren't so young in 1974. A braver decison to drop Moore from the first leg and then Shilton from the second would have seen us through. Ramsey would have stayed longer, avoiding the embarasement of that dreadful Admiral kit. Revie would have stayed at Leeds. Clough would have gone elsewhere. Forest would have never won the European Cup. A stonge Leeds would have kept Liverpool in their place. We would done well in Germany, building on this in 1978. This would have given a boost to James Callaghan and Thatcher wouldn't have got in. Heysel wouldn't have happened and a strong Leed and less strong Liverpool would have dominated Europe for twenty years. Man U would have had a genearation of indifference. Terracing, cheap tickets and no Sky money (or the premiership) would mean that Chelski and Man C would yo you between the divisions. This would open the door to Arse and Spurs, but also smaller clubs - QPR, Palace, Ipswich etc would have some good seasons. So sentimentality and lack of ruthlessness led to the mess we are in now.

Mind you look at Iceland, about half of their population was in St Etienne tonight, and a third of them playing. They gave the EU boys a hell of a beating. Your in a bad way Louise - Only Love Can Break Your Heart.

Three lines of sense vs pages of nonsense!

Think this is actually very relevant to today's England - the insistence of playing players when youth should be given a go. Discuss......

Prey tell us what this is all about.