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So @Rockets, is this good news or not? Not sure why you have to go beyond this. Edited to add, as you were aware of the BBC report perhaps you could have put this up on the EDF.

Ultimately it's the weight, modern cars should all have high levels of protection for the occupants.

20 mph in Wales has been shown to save many lives, with around 100 fewer killed or seriously injured per year. It's great to report positive news about the road network and I hope there is a wider role out https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/22/wales-20mph-speed-limit-cut-road-deaths-why-debate Reading the article I came across the term motonormativity; essentially the belief that many accept that KSIs are part and package of motoring More info https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motonormativity Shame I couldn't 'like' my previous post, I'm very impressed 👍

We are on the Heathrow flight path, I had a meeting there many years ago and saw their noise maps. Noise here depends on wind direction, approach and which runway. Very occasionally you see a small low flying jet from, our bound for, City. Could be worse as friend in North Kent often hears single engine small prop planes. I think they are called Spitfires, Hurricanes and the like.

I'm on a roll. This lot may be able to do a better job than TfL, local authorities, Thames Water and other utilities

In collisions between vehicles the lighter one always comes off worse. That doesn't feature in marketing, "buy our 2.5 tonne car, and live whilst the other driver and their occupants die"

5 pm, made everyone look. Financially a disaster as America effectively black balled it causing a collapse in orders. American protectionism eh? But very polluting.

There's a thread on Heathrow noise. It depends on how sensitive you are, sleeping patterns and the like. It doesn't wake me up now but many years ago when I was stressed at work I'd listen to the red eye flights coming into land from the Atlantic from around 5.30.

Hope wood pigeons are better nest builders than their rat cousins. We had a feral pigeon nest on a window ledge in a central London office; just a pile of sticks. I've left some hair out in a feeder I got from the hairdressers for the birds as nest material. Last year I got wool from the horniman sheep that all went.

Not helpful. The area is by the cemetery where it is a little narrower but the issue here is that it is on a hill, which encourages some to speed down the hill.

Never had any issues walking (,and cycling) around there over many years. Expect no better or worse than most of the area. The odd speeding car but generally as road is not wide, particularly with parked cars, that helps moderate speed.

If you haven't got anything to contribute then please clear off. Ironic that the T word has been used regularly against me, but now three posts in a row that you could apply this comment to. If you have no interest in this discussion then don't read it, rather than snide/puerile comments. I was hoping that someone who actually used the roads may have a view. But lets face it there are about twenty people who post on roads issues and most of you just do this as you have enormous bees in your bonnet, rather want a constructive debate. So in summary a right turn into Underhill could be reintroduced from the South Circular without too much bother. The right turn from Underhill would probably be more useful but more problematic as this would entail some major road changes, maybe traffic lights, filters and the like, although this could be easily meshed with the Harvester junction. I doubt if there would be more traffic using this route, but more spread out, with some convenience both to those on local roads and some a bit further a field and particular benefits to Honor Oak Road. A few times a years there are road works in Forest Hill and this buggers up the whole of the 'Horniman' area which becomes grid locked as Honor Oak Road, Melford Road, Devonshire Road, Honor Oak and any alternatives to get onto the A205 are solid, A right turn from Underhill may alleviate some of this, but I expect as this would only have modest capacity the same would happen. Such congestion is just part and package of living in London. Unless you have something to say on the above conversation over, until I get the expected "no can do" from TfL.

Thanks George. The sub post office sold penny sweets - a blast from the past. They were happy to let the post office go as they told me there had been some serious robberies - with menace. But it didn't last much longer Roy operated from very old coach house building from the adjacent hotel, he sold these and built a brand new facility, he had to use yellow brick, but then some personal stuff meant that he had to let it go, and there was no reason to keep a garage there so were turned into apartments. There were some very shacky and old buildings on the other side (to the left as you look from the street) and a mobile mechanic used to work from there, but they went I think after Covid. The coal sheds from the branch line would have been behind as well. I phoned Robert Elms up on his programme when he was asking about a London pub which had doubled up as an undertakers. It may have been the Moore Park Hotel but I was more interested in Elm's views as he doesn't recognise that SE London exists, Well, begrudgingly Peckham, as one of his kids lives there. We did a local pub crawl many years ago starting with the hotel, which had been turned into flats by then, but we had some home made stout and made our own pub sign for a bit of fun. Of course this side of the road is Lewisham, so we shouldn't be discussing it here, but I wont tell anyone.

It was EDT probably even before then, we did the comedy, and this had been there already for a number of years. It was the East Dulwich Comedy then, the wiki entry says 1988, but before then I think the comedy went as "Off the Tube" "or South of the River at this time of night mate" (cabbies apparently said this) or names along those lines.

Park Langley club in Beckenham on. Tuesday night. Hardly local.

Nothing wrong with a bit of humour Here's another one

As a number of you are so interested in road works thought you'd appreciate this:

Don't be daft. They are through roads with right turn restrictions. Please stick to other threads unless you have a view on whether the junctions should be changed. I raised these issues in earlier threads but you did not engage. Similarly on Brenchley Gardens. There are 100s of roads with similar restrictions across London

I was surprised to find that many places had gone, the Moore Park Hotel and Moore Park Garage had been turned into residential, and similarly the sub post office and hairdressers. Why did these go? Wood Vale supermarket and Libretto butchers still flying the flag. Friends in Forest Hill have discussed the garage going: https://www.se23.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=11858

I like Rye Lane, it's more real than Lordship Lane with far more interesting shops. The massive changes in night life should be generally welcome but I've always had an issue that the daytime and nighttime demographics are so different. Thanks for the interesting reflections on the building.

The sub post office has gone too, which is a bit disappointing. I'll start a thread on it. I stayed on the 363 today up Underhill and Wood Vale as this gave me a good view of potential road changes. It would be straight forward to accommodate a right turn into Underhill, as the bus currently does, and with the lights at the Harvester this would make traffic flows, under normal conditions, tidal, allowing relatively easy right turns. I'm unsure if this is a massive benefit, probably useful to drivers who live in the immediate area, and would take some traffic off the right turn onto Honor Oak Road, which is a bit messy. Not so sure how you would accommodate right turns out of Underhill. Right turns into and out of Wood Vale more problematic due to the proximity of the junction with Sydenham Hill. Pending further views here I will write to TfL with my issues and potential changes.

"The area around the proposed Melbourne Grove South CPZ is mostly uncontrolled, particularly to the east of Lordship Lane, and therefore not comparable to the schemes mentioned above. We always say that there will be a level displacement whenever we implement any new parking restriction, this includes new permit zones or yellow lines. For this area we do not know what this will be until the scheme is implemented, if it is implemented at all, but we believe due to the number of uncontrolled roads in the area, this will be minimal." Sounds reasonable to me.

You may have lost the battle against more clubs in Peckham - although interestingly they keep saying how numbers are down, perhaps that is more aimed at night clubs more centrally. I just thought it looks an interesting building.

It's meant to slow the traffic. Narrows the road, so naturally slows the traffic. That is because before it was a race track up to the cameras. Much nicer now. Expand Snowy, may I also just draw your attention to one of Malumbu's earlier comments in response to another poster ( Malumbu's comment below Jazzer's, above) Just leave me out of this tiresome thread. The only interesting post I've seen is Rockets admitting again to needing some refresher driving lessons. I admire your stamina Snowy, Earl and Ex but debating with some feels a little futile. This is me being polite.

I saw people queuing up one night a couple of years ago and it looked to me like it was an old theatre or music hall Actually it's an old department store, after it's closure as a night club there are plans to develop it into a decent venue Any views or memories. Peckham continues to develop at pace. https://southwarknews.co.uk/area/peckham/peckhams-newest-nightclub-inside-historic-building-edges-closer/