BJL

I bought one of their loaves a month or so back and really enjoyed it.

david_carnell: thanks for the explanation. I guess that the "white working class" are now the "white C2/D"? Not as catchy, but possibly more accurate. Perhaps this, along with Keef's observation that "class" may be "a thing of the past", may explain what's happened to the WWC - maybe many of them are just happy to be individuals?

Brendan Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I think it has more to do with some kind of > tribalism than your actual economic situation. Brendan - that's an interesting theory and I'd guess you're probably right. What's odd to me is that unlike most tribes, people define their own class (and can change from one to the other). It's more difficult to change from Celt to Saxon, Zulu to Xhosa or Sioux to Oneida. I wonder why people chose to pigeonhole themselves into tribes/classes?

As an immigrant to the UK, I've never really understood this country's class system and how it works. Or the point of it. It's not wealth-based, is it? Is it more about education or employment? Don't most people just chose what class system they feel they identify with? (I used to know a man in his sixties who had a university education, had worked as a computer programmer, author and magazine editor and was married to a senior civil servant. He insisted that he was "working" class and was very disdainful of the "middle" classes.) What class are these people? Professional football player Chef Musician Stonemason Nurse Perhaps someone could try and explain it to me...

gerry Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Are there any young school age kids who read this > forum? I'd be surprised - I think (hope) they've got better things to do... gerry Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Yes Doodles, the school and police > should come together, or simply be out there > protecting these young people instead of giving > out fines for dropping cigar butts!!! According to the other thread, the fine was issued by Community Wardens - the police were not involved.

I've lived here for twenty years and apart from my teenagers having the odd run-in with other children after lunch money etc, I don't know anyone who's been mugged in East Dulwich.

KalamityKel Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > my advise - purchase one of > those stubby pouch thingamys :) They're free. From Southwark's website:

seanmlow Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Ok, ok people have got me all wrong. > > I agree with fining people for littering the > streets. A ?10 spot fine, for example, would be a > good deterrent. A ?75 fine is a far better deterrent, though. seanmlow Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > However, ?75? My sister was fine ?60 for running a > red light, which is potentially fatal? > > I think the punishment should fit the crime, don't > you? Absolutely - a ?60 fine for running a red light is a joke.

I'll probably buy Peter Carey's new book His Illegal Self this week, even though the reviews have been mixed. Has anyone here read it yet? Opinions?

Working tonight and tomorrow night (which is great, since I love my work). In between, I hope to go to the barbershop, deliver a 45 to Bromley, stop by the new clothes stall at the ED Warehouse then a meal at a really good Indian (or possibly Pakistani?) restaurant on Bethnal Green Road. Sunday? Who knows.

snorky Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Nick Nacks ? > > When did Nazi uniforms and bayonets become nick > knacks ? Is that what Target Arms sell? I've never been in there. Or Oliver Bonas.

ED "nick-nack shops" - 1988 Target Arms 2008 Oliver Bonas

Growlybear Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Surely it's time to stop ruining the area and driving the > people who have lived here for decades away? Are long-time residents really being "driven away" from the area because of some "nick-nack shops" and "gastro-pubs"? Surely most of those who leave do so for other reasons - mostly because they've decided to sell their houses or flats for a huge profit?

...and China China restaurant where the Tulip Cafe is now. The owners went on holiday about 20 years ago but sadly, never returned.

peckhamboy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Are you suggesting that the police and armed > forces should be privatised? No, not at all.

???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > So a post office on every corner it is > then.......... *shakes head at another deliberate misrepresentation of other people's statements and opinions and that strange need to mention "bookies" in every thread.*

???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > if a Post Office can't make money why should tax > payers subsidise it? Would you apply that argument to libraries, hospitals, parks, museums and schools? How about the police and armed forces?

Here are a couple from the bedside reading pile: Halsman On The Creation of Photographic Ideas by the wonderful photographer Philippe Halsman; River Horse by William Least Heat-Moon, an account of his East-West journey across the USA in a small boat.

atila the gooner Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I certainly don't profess to be an expert in this > particular field, but the argument put forward by > those against bottled water, is the carbon > footprint made on the planet in transporting, > bottling, and distributing the stuff, which sounds > very credible to me anyway. Of course others may > produce evidence to the contrary which is equally > compelling but I've yet to hear it. Perhaps someone could explain why transporting natural spring water from France is somehow worse than transporting wine from Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Chile or the USA?

Cassius Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > BJL - do you dispose of your plastic bottles in an > environmentally friendly manner? I try and buy water in glass bottles. If the bottles are plastic then I do what most other people probably do with their unwanted plastic containers - I try to re-use them and the others are collected for recycling by Southwark Council. > On another tangent - if you asked for tap water in > a restaurant and they refused - how would you > react? I'd be annoyed. (I usually don't bother asking for bottled mineral water in restaurants.)

Domitianus Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > BJL Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > I buy bottled water because I like the taste. > > It's my personal choice and I drink it in > > preference to any other drink. > > > > Why is it worse than buying cola or other soft > > drinks, wine or beer? > > You can't get cola, wine, soft drinks or beer out > of the tap in your kitchen for next to nothing! And you can't get a water like Badoit out of the tap. Domitianus Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Water doesn't get you pissed! So for those of us who don't really enjoy alcohol - or find it expensive - it's perfect!

I buy bottled water because I like the taste. It's my personal choice and I drink it in preference to any other drink. Why is it worse than buying cola or other soft drinks, wine or beer?

Great place, despite the whiners.

Just by the bend in the road, close to the Thai Pavillion restaurant.

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