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Just out of interest, franglaisia - which parts of America have you visited?

Why live anywhere else in London?

Probably another bookie...

On Sunday, they were beginning to lock up Peckham Rye Park at 16:30, with the whole park closing at 17:00. DP may follow similar times.

Lizzygotdizzy - where did you get this information from? I've tried to find an online source but only found it mentioned briefly on a pub message board. Same with the mysterious "Toms Act"...

kford Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > But anyway, why should us law-abiding majority > have to spend our journeys with our eyes on our > speedos instead of on the road, just to catch out > the rogues who will still be speeding? I have no objection to the "law-abiding majority" of drivers who obey the speed limits and wish there were more of you. This thread was started as a discussion of ways to stop people disobeying speed limits and putting others' lives at risk.

kford Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > There is also evidence, from the DoT (Sept 2006), > that speeding is responsible only for 5% of > accicents. That means that on Barry Road, for > example, 95% of accidents are through other > causes, like driver error, using mobile phones, > being drunk/high/tired or driving too close to the > car in front, driving an unroadworthy car. I assume you got that 5% figure from this report? It also states (table 4f) that other contributory factors in accidents are: Careless, reckless or in a hurry 18% Travelling too fast for conditions 11% While it's obvious that accidents are not simply caused by people exceeding the speed limit, it's undeniable that when accidents do occur, the damage done is far greater. > Here are two possible solutions: > > 1. Remove all road markings and signage. The Dutch > have experimented with this and found that the eye > contact between drivers, cyclist and pedestrians > made for safe and calm urban roads. See this BBC > article: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4213221.stm I'd like to see trials of the Dutch method but I'm not sure how effective it would prove. I think the problem is the aggressive nature of a large number of drivers in this country and their addiction to fast driving. > 2. Active road signs. The ones that flash up the > limit, or your speed when you pass. There are a > few already in Southwark, they work nicely in > gently shaming passing speeders. Yes, I agree - these seem to have some effect.

As has been pointed out before, there used to be a record and CD store on LL (opposite the Palmerston), but the business failed. That was maybe 5-7(?) years ago, before downloading took hold and when there was much more of a market for "physical product". To open one in 2008 - and in that part of ED - seems nuts.

kford Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > These devices don't work on the real speeders, > because their cars are not registered at the DVLA. I wasn't aware of this and would be interested to see some evidence to support this statement.

Cllr Richard Thomas Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > There are very few alternatives to humps available > to councils. Fore example, the police won't > enforce traffic offences in 20mph zones. The > best hope is average speed cameras which track a > vehice's speed over a distance between two points > and fines anyone who covers the ground too > quickly. I live near Goodrich School and the speed that cars race up and down Dunstan's Road (a shortcut between LL and Peckham)and Upland Road is often frightening. I can't see how the "average speed cameras" would work on those roads. kford Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ED residents, especially those around Barry Road, > look forward to your ?60 fines and three points > for straying up to 24 mph when you pop to the tip. Barry Road itself has a 30mph limit, doesn't it? Why people need to drive in excess of 20mph on the "back roads" off Barry Road is beyond me, since the travelling time "saved" is negligible and it justs put others at risk.

I noticed it on a city map when I was in Sydney last September: Dulwich Hill is very close to Sydenham, Lewisham, Croydon and er - Canterbury. I think Newtown would be a better Sydney district to twin with...

In the early '80s I used to go there a lot, mostly to visit two friends who ran the record stall there - Chicken Shack. Other friends sold clothes on the first floor. When did it close, anyway?

Louisa Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I've got a novel idea for you DanRigby and the > others at Seacow, how about you start selling some > decent fishcakes battered sausages savaloys and > other delights that are common in most 'normal' > chippies up and down the land, rather than aiming > your food entirely at certain groups in society. Quite right - it's an utter disgrace that the Sea Cow should try to be different from other fish & chip restaurants.

A few more: Sugar Billy Garner Super Duper Love (covered by Joss Stone) Five Royales Think (covered by James Brown) Joe Haywood Warm And Tender Love (covered by Percy Sledge) Hank Ballard The Twist (covered by Chubby Checker) Little Willie John Fever (covered by Peggy Lee) Boogaloo & his Gallant Crew Clothes Line (covered by The Coasters as Shopping For Clothes) The Top Notes Twist And Shout (covered by the Isley Brothers and others) Lloyd Terrell Birth Control (stol, I mean "covered" by the Specials as Too Much, Too Young) Chris Kenner Land Of 1,000 Dances (covered by Wilson Pickett) Sir Mack Rice Mustang Sally (covered by Wilson Pickett) Otis Clay The Only Way Is Up (covered by Yazz) Cissy Houston Midnight Train To Georgia (covered by Gladys Knight & The Pips) Bobby Marchan Get Down With It (covered by Slade as Get Down And Get With It)

Good points, falcao. Anyone else remember those Richard Allen books like Suedehead and Skinhead? (And read Clarence Rook's Hooligan Nights (1899), Herbert Ashby's Gangs Of New York (1928) for more on the "good old days".)

pk Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > BJL Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > >> Falcao - there was no mention of people from > > "outside the area" in the original post. > > Shu.Kurimu.Sensei wrote: > > > > > > but it says "These groups really stand out, > there's no way they live in the area" "I've seen a lot of kids from Peckham and other areas south of here coming into ED on the 37 and 185, literally in packs, getting off around Nero then moving up towards Alleyns. These groups really stand out, there's no way they live in the area..."

???? - stop being so cowardly. What exactly did you mean? Falcao - there was no mention of people from "outside the area" in the original post. Shu.Kurimu.Sensei wrote: I've seen a lot of kids from Peckham and other areas south of here coming into ED on the 37 and 185, literally in packs, getting off around Nero then moving up towards Alleyns. Presumably that's how they decided that they weren't from around here. Or their school uniforms - I don't know.

atila the gooner Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I'm 50 fast approaching 51 and I still don't know > what I want to be when I grow up!!!! I always > wanted to work for a record company, which I did > in 74/75 for a period of a year, the company was > called Contour Records based in Hanover Square off > of Oxford Street. I loved it to death but > unfortuntely the company went under because of > huge losses. I did my bit for Contour - I bought the Dell Vikings and Gospel Ayres LPs!

mockney piers Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I've said at a few times and I'm not alone. > The threat of violence always seems to me to be > much greater when I leave London to visit friends > and relatives in places like Reading, Hitchin, > Stevenage, Bristol, Madrid et al. > This is a disturbing trend and the police should > nip it in the bud before these kids think it's > easy and normal; but for my pennies ED is still > one of the safest areas I've ever lived. With the exception of Madrid - I agree 100%.

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I don't know for sure what date I was actually born on.

Atila - no, I don't DJ there. I like the "Lucky 7s" idea and since it's so local, I just thought I'd drop in.

SeanMacGabhann Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I have always been impressed by those lists of > people who HAVE turned it down > > Just say NO kids What I find most interesting about that list is the number of people who refused an award and then accepted one later - usually one of a "higher rank". For a supposedly secret process, it's funny how these things leak out, isn't it?

Right, Sean - I don't think they're bad, just over-rated (IMO).

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