LadyDeliah

Thanks. Where in Kent are you?

We had a fox attack in our chicken coop on Sunday and we've got one that has survived the attack which has left her on her own. Chickens are social animals so I'm thinking of giving her to someone who has other chickens she can join. She's unhurt because my daughter heard the fox and ran downstairs with the dog, who chased the fox out of the garden. She seems to be much better now, but I didn't think she was going to survive because she was in shock yesterday morning, but she layed an egg today which is a good sign that she is over the shock now. She's a full size chicken, less than a year old and is laying an egg most days. She was immunised before we bought her and has never been sick. I've attached a photo of the chicken, taken this morning. Please PM me if you think you might be able to help.

Let's see a pic then :-)

Or try: http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?20,978595,978662#msg-978662 and http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?20,724501,page=1

Try Blendr: http://blendr.com/encounters/

Haha, this is me: Result: the class group you most closely match is: Emergent service workers This class group is financially insecure, scoring low for savings and house value, but high for social and cultural factors. According to the Great British Class Survey results, lots of people in this group: Are young Enjoy a cultured social life Rent their home - almost 90% So there you have it.

rahrahrah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Nigello are you sure you're not in fact walking in > the road? Lol, very loudly.

Lol

Nigello Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > LD: you might not recognise yourself as such, but > you are part of that elite you disparage. You're > well educated, in professional employment, > articulate and computer literate. Even if you > don't take part in the so called enrolment of > "chavs" and certain other groups as whipping boys > by the layer of society you pillory, you're still > part of that group, at the tippety-tip-top of the > pyramid. Hmmm, part of the elite? I got a law degree from a former poly when I was a 41 year old single parent of 4 kids living in a council house. Plus I'm violent (done martial arts for pretty much all of my adult life). I guess that means I'm a chav (Council house and violent). I am pretty far from being part of the elite and even if I wasn't, it didn't stop Tony Benn from critiquing their role in exploiting and controlling the masses.

Hmm, Idris. I'm sure I'd have noticed if his lookalikee was wandering around East Dulwich and anyway, he doesn't count, he's definitely not c-list! Believe it or not, I got told I looked like that bint with the safety pin premiere dress, Liz Hurley when I was in my early 30's and way before that, the blonde ex-missus of Sylvester Stsllone when I had my hair short, white blonde. More like that one in the film Misery nowadays though.

I'd say it's lost it's popularity somewhat because the elite have enrolled the disabled, jobless, low paid and immigrants as the favoured whipping boys in recent years.

Salsaboy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > That'll be because you're not a guy. > > Or are you??? Rumbled!

titch juicy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Norris McSquirter? > > I was with a squirter once- scared the living > bejeezus out of me first time- but after that it > was quite a thing. It seems to be a bit addictive for some guys. No idea why though.

steveo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > "Would you like to come on my boat?" Who could say no to that?

Entitlement to other kinds of medical treatment doesn't involve production of another human being. I think there are degrees of commodification of children and that's what I find repellant. I guess that doesn't apply to the majority of IVF parents, but surely the possibility of inferior sperm fertilising the egg and producing a child with a higher likihood of health problems should be a consideration. Adoption would not be my answer as it has it's own problems unless the adoption happens really quickly when the child is a baby because the bonds are more difficult to forge the older the child is.

Also the Australian peado father would have been unlikely to pass the tests for adoption, even from abroad, so surrogacy seems like a way for child molestors to get round those rules and buy themselves a kid.

There are real health problems with IVF babies because the normal survival of the fittest sperm swim doesn't take place. There was a recent report on the unusual and hitherto relatively unknown health problems many IVF now adults have been diagnosed with. There was a big backlash against the report by the IVF industry and news reporting of the report was very brief. I also think it's pretty grim the whole 'I am entitled to a child' mentality that fuels the growth in surrogacy and the commodification of children. This particular story is a really grim example of surrogacy at it's worst.

What woman is that?

Sophron, you clearly didn't understand what I was saying, which was that I doubt you live close to the kinds of kids who grow up with alcoholic/drug addicted abusive parents, but in reality they are all our neighbours (maybe not in close proximity) and what happens to them affects all of society. I wasn't even saying the kids mentioned in the original postings came from these kinds of backgrounds, but the references to scum, thugs, feral kids etc and the later posts saying they'd been subject to increasingly extreme behaviour made me bring up the connection between lack of money spent on preventing kids becoming damaged versus waiting till they are fucked up then banging them in jail. El Pibe, I would prefer less government, at the top, not just at the bottom. If they are going to take our taxes, spend them on making society better, not on funding armies, militarised police forces, corporations who have been allowed to hoover up our public assets at huge discounts etc. My idea of less government would also be less government to protect the elite from having their loot and land re-distributed. I'm all for a bit of anarchy, but not sure I'll get many EDFers on board lol.

In the UK we appear to starve your first option of funding and spend huge amounts on the second. The general public seem to absorb this arseways, ultimately more expensive & damaging approach, so I like to remind people that if we actually gave a shit enough to invest properly in the former, there would be less of the latter to worry about.

I bet there are lots of children who would just like to play without 'being abused, harassed, threatened or upset', at home, school, playgrounds etc, but have no way to make it stop. We don't live in a bubble. What happens to your 'neighbour' (of course they don't actually live near you), ripples out to affect others. Next time you are concerned about 'ferel' kids behaving in an intimidating way, why don't you find out if support for problem kids in the area is adequate and if not put pressure on the people with the money and power to change this, instead of just blaming the kids who had no control over how bad their childhood was? We are all responsible for the society we live in and our action or inaction gets us the society we deserve.

Not saying they are guilty of tax avoidance, just that I don't imagine they would be into increased tax or spending on the kinds of projects that would help reduce the number of kids who have appalling childhoods. Moaning about feral kids and apples not dropping far from the tree, or calling them scum & thugs and demanding they be locked up, when they are just children sickens me. If they are behaving badly, yes tell them to behave and if they are being threatening or abusive deal with them more harshly, but if you don't join the dots and care about why they became like that (I'm talking about the extreme cases which have been posted, not the idiot kids who sparked the initial post), because you try to avoid your world colliding with theirs as much as you can, then you are behaving pretty badly yourself in my opinion.

Not an excuse, but definitely a cause. If you don't like the offsping of fucked up adults acting like they are feral, maybe you should be interested in stopping the kids from having to grow up with fucked up parents and becoming feral in the first place. Ignoring why the kids end up like that and expecting the police to mop up all of society's shit clearly doesn't work. Simple really.

If any of the current crop of teenagers in the Goose Green playground are as bad as the ones who have been described later in the thread (initial posts seem to say not) then maybe you need to start looking at the causes and possible solutions. How many of the people on here would be willing to pay for higher taxes to pay for more facilities and assistance for kids growing up with alcoholic or drug addicted parents. Or even more rehabilitation centers, social workers, early intervention schemes, more probation officers and specialist family centers that might help whole families to get their shit together? How many of you try your best to pay the lowest tax possible? If we don't give a shit about the kids who are drowning in their parents crap at the bottom of the food chain, how can you expect them to give a crap about others who seem massively privileged to them?

Yeh, but this is what happens when you call the cops: