Domitianus, you have my sympathy. And I am a parent! The incredible thing is that the middle-class parents are, if anything, worse than the chavs. A romantic evening at my fave Indian restaurant was ruined by a group of kids literally running around the restaurant screaming. When one of the parents intervened I thought a good telling-off was on the cards. But to my amazement he lifted one of the kids up (who looked about 6 years old) and playfully shook him around, upside down - winding him up even more. The adults were a bunch of beardy intellectual types who should have known better. Some people seem to think that we should all enjoy their little darlings as much as they do. A bit of discipline and respect for others wouldn't go amiss. Related pet hate is the classic unloading of the people carrier into the middle of the road, blocking & completely oblivious to the traffic. A favourite of ED's yummy mummies and daddies - as if they are somehow more important than everyone else.