Otta

So on the Martin McGuinness thread (which I will not repeat here, go and read for yourself if interested) it was suggested that whilst it is good to know history and learn from it, there are times when we can be held back by it, and when it might be best all round if we let go of it in order to move forward. Discuss.

Wise words RD.

Making friends and influencing people there Mick. Rendel and Joe have both kept calmer than I did, for which they deserve credit, but Joe's post a couple up is exactly how I see this thread. If you're not knowingly antagonising or trolling, then, well I don't know what to say. No one has ever said on here that the British government (not quite the same as "the English") and some of their representatives didn't act appallingly, and no one has actually said one side was right and one was wrong. What people have said is whatever he did later in life (and it's debatable why he took that path), McGuinness once choose a path of violence, often completely unnecesary violence for violence sake. That doesn't mean he was the worst, or that there weren't some right nasty loyalists. But we're talking about him.

Garages and workshops the country over will soon have Page 3 Calendars back on the walls.

Mick Mac Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Otta Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > In short, don't be fucktard Rodders. > > There are always people who will choose to insult > the person, rather than address the argument. > > Of course few people in England will accept > similarities between the situation in NI V SA or > McGuinness and Mandela the person, as has been > made clear on this thread. The argument had already been well addressed by rendel. And I make absolutely no apology for what I said, whether it was playing the man or not. I totally accept similarities between the two situations. But please don't insult the memory of Mandella by trying to claim similarities between the men, especially during the earlier part of their lives. There is nothing to suggest that Mandela was ever a nasty violent thug that liked the power of hurting people and having them hurt. Mandela led his country to some sort of peace. McGuinness jumped on a bandwagon. I believe that all you are trying to do with this whole thread is antagonise just to give yourself a cheap little thrill. It's quite a nice bit of trolling, but frankly beneath you (or maybe not).

rodneybewes Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Otta Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > In short, don't be fucktard Rodders. > > > A pathetic and gratuitous insult with no > intellectual effort behind it at all, you don't > even refute what I said. Go your way. Yep, not big, not clever, but about as much as your "intellectual" fantasy deserved.

Although had some nice summer evenings outside, that's always been it's main pull.

Jah Lush Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I wouldn't go that far Otta. I first went there in > the 70s and it was a lovely little boozer then > right up until Youngs & Co decided to rip the > heart and soul out of it a few years ago. Can't comment on the 70s, but disliked it from the early 90s onwards.

This is the whole problem. It's certainly not that there is no discussion to be had about a lovely place. But these twerps are just making a mockery of... well everything.

Yeah The Clock House has always been shit.

I stayed in the Premier Inn on Hagley Road a few times l;ast year. It's your standart PI joined to a Beefeater (with through door) where breakfast is served. 10 - 15 minutes bus ride to New Street. So not exactly central, but very easily accessible.

In short, don't be fucktard Rodders.

Given the huge trend towards zombie movies and tv shows in recent years, I think SSW's next tact should be to convince Southwark that disturbing these graves could potentially unleash a zombie apocalypse on East Dulwich and Honor Oak. They could submit a YouTube link to the Thriller video as evidence. It would have about as much basis in truth as anything else they've ever tried.

Mick I think it "might have been better" for everybody if you hadn't started this troll edged thread in the first place. Chapel of rest would have done the trick.

edcam Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I passionately believe that Brexit is a huge > mistake and am still very depressed about it but > unfortunately this march won't make a blind bit of > difference. Even if vast numbers turn up, the > media will underplay it, particularly the BBC I'd > imagine, bearing in mind how they've been > criticised for bias (unfairly criticised IMO.) > > Hats off to anyone going but sadly this horse has > bolted. Totally agree with all of this (including the bit about unfair criticism of the bbc). But still think it's good that people are showing that they don't want it. They have EVERY right to voice their opinions, and Theresa May and her gang must absolutely not be allowed to take us out with the message that it's what "the British people" wanted. I don't believe for a second that it will be halted, but I will never accept that something this big should be done off of a 52/48 split. It's a recipe for disunity.

Alan Medic Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Otta Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > An issue I have with the IRA stuff is that they > > would tell anyone that would listen that they > were > > soldiers at war. Well there are rules to war, > and > > taking women in the night and murdering them > > because they'd shown compassion to a wounded > > British soldier... Well that's kind of outside > of > > the rules. > > > > Plus it's just plain nasty and unjustifiable to > > anyone but the most blinkered fucktards. > > Extract from 'British War crimes' > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_war_crimes > > 'By the summer of 1918, the Military Bureau had > documented 355 separate incidents of violations of > the laws and customs of war by British servicemen > along the Western Front' What's yopur point AM, because British soldiers had behaved badly that made it all okay? No. British soldiers still on occasion behave badly, it's still not okay. And it still doesn't ecuse or justify anything. Taking people out of their houses (in front of their kids) and executing them for trying to help someone, that is not justifiable if done by the state, it's not justifiable if done by the police, and it's certainly not justifiable if done by a jumped up bully that got off on hurting people.

Mick Mac Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Otta, as I said above the comparable for this type > of behaviour is loyalist terrorists. The Shankill > Butchers were picking up random Catholics and > carving them up in the back of black taxis. I know that there was a lot of nasty stuff done by loyalists too. Doesn't excuse or justify anything, just means there was nasty murdering scum on both sides of the fence.

DaveR Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > My own view is that McGuinness was an unrepentant > murderer who saw a chance for political power at > the same time as his 'army' was in serious > trouble. It may be that what started as > opportunism then became something more tangible > but he was one of the worst that emerged from a > generally terrible period of British history. Well said.

An issue I have with the IRA stuff is that they would tell anyone that would listen that they were soldiers at war. Well there are rules to war, and taking women in the night and murdering them because they'd shown compassion to a wounded British soldier... Well that's kind of outside of the rules. Plus it's just plain nasty and unjustifiable to anyone but the most blinkered fucktards.

rahrahrah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I'm feel increasingly estranged from most of > England, outside of the Capital. It feels insular > and regressive and ever more illiberal. Maybe time > to move to Berlin. It's not just London to be fair. Other cities are also pretty cool. But yes I basically agree. I am a proud Londoner, but an increasingly embarrassed Englishman.

And he was British born. Just like the terrorist that actually managed to kill an MP (Jo Cox) last year. Absolutely no difference between the two.

Mick Mac Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ???? Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Still waiting for an eulogy for the terrorsist > who > > was shot outside the Houses of Parliament > > yesterday..... > > For MM the praise from political leaders in NI and > the rest of the U.K. And the wider world was > almost unanimous- my comments are similar - Bill > Clinton may attend his funeral and the Queen with > whom he met several times, has written a personal > message of codolence to his family. > > Quids - you are a different person from what I > thought you to be and that is surprising and > disappointing for our friendship Yeah because all those people are going to risk uosetting the delicate apple cart with the pesky truth. Not likely, beat kept in the past, he did the right thing in the end, blah blah blah.

I am sure you're right. One of many holes in education here. Still doesn't mean that all British people should "face up to" and feel any sort of guilt for what was done in the past by other people. And still doesn't excuse anything.

Are Blanche and Lewis definitely two separate people? I'd ask Blanche directly, but she doesn't respond to anyone, she just continues to past nonsense as if the rest of the thread isn't happening.

taper Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > That's nothing. They retweeted a very unpleasant > anti-Semite the other day. > > https://twitter.com/caterhamcr3/status/84233493572 > 1644032 Oh dear oh dear oh dear. Much as I find these threads quite ammusing, I actually find SSW pretty offensive. Completely dishonest and incapable of proper debate.