StraferJack

That was an April Fool but when asked about it, Ryder apparently bought it as truth according to this report

I'm guessing most people will already have encountered the google April Fool, but it's still sweet Google Maps - on a Snes

Which thread to post this? It touches on so many, but given that it's nominally about this possible strike I'm going for here But When Charles Moore and I agree...

GPs already receive 25% of performance related pay - meaning that they 'compete' for patients within their catchment. You've seen the recent threads about gps medical centres going downhill yes? That'll be the less profitable patients talking then

I think quids comes closest to nailing it What I don't get tho, is why if we are combining stronger alcohol with British habits, we aren't adapting Why does it take some people years and years of being a knob before they go "wow I really can't handle that much drink"

Even if it isn't.

Is this where I say jelly is BBW?

Hoopers used to be every Thu but I think their QM left recently, so check with them to see if they have replaced

Wow. You mean selfishness is especially rife in east dulwich jelly? An odd claim to make

I think that the cost, even if Labour were commited to repealing the bill (which I'm not convinced they would be) would be prohibitive. Plus a whole bunch of contracts will be in place which makes the whole thing impractical to untangle

My opposition to the bill is not some anti-private ideology. There are things private sector does much better, some public sector and in many cases a mic of the two. Whatever works best I can outline my concerns about the outcome of the bill but I can't "prove" them. Like an advert or a sales brochure we are being sold the ideal, but the reality will be different You might disagree with my concerns or you might agree they will happen and think "so what", but anyway Everyone should be suspicious however about how something so radical has happened so quickly without any warning from incoming government or any attempt at persuasion of the public. Already I smell a rat I believe MM when he says he wants a better and more efficient NHS. He has had close workings with the infrastructure (although I would imagine not much coalface experience) But I don't think he will get it. I think what we will all get is an (irreversible - one of the worst aspects of this bill) increasing cost, more fractured service and with many more people excluded from treatment This won't happen on day one, but in 5-10 years time if we were to all sit down again I'm reasonably confident that will be the case The NHS is it's current state is not ideal. In years to come when the disasters come thick and fast people will say "ah back in the old days" as if nothing bad ever happened in the NHS. Like romanticising British Rail, to go that far is just wrong. PPP deals, tube line privatisation, rail privatisation - all rely on huges subsidies and result in buck-passing inefficiencies and with several examples of unworkability. All were foreseen and complained about as well - and all were derided as so much union rhetoric I don't mind being wrong on any of this - if we have that conversation in 5 years and I have to hold my hands up I'll do so happily. A small price to pay for a better and more efficient health service after all

You keep repeating that without backing it up in this context. What gives?

2 problems with that statement - underhand bashing? how so? why "underhand" and the church isn't taking any criticism for housing a few very bad apples. It's taking a bashing for the many bad apples it DELIBERATELY covers up for. It's systemic, not an unfortunate problem which has landed on the churches door quids thinks it's "easy" and "safe" to bash the catholic church but as I've said before, growing up in a country and seeing some abuse was bad enough, but when the whole sorry mess came to light, to accuse anyone of being "easy" with their criticsm is poor show.

What hypocrisy? Most Of the people who have posted so far agree with you it's all made up Most of us have also written at length about other religions and what they do wrong Where is the hypocrisy that do enraged you?

Most of us were brought up by Christians so it's sort of easier to know what we are talking about, rather than just "blind " prejudice Another thing - It's not a "safe" target, it's more that it's possible to talk about it without genuine dickheads of the "pakis out" variety joining in. Which is what WOULD happen. And that would be very tiresome But no-one is stopping you start a thread quids

Definitely agree with MM there but would add my own take What I would miss about SE London depends a bit on where I?m moving to. Assuming it was to another part of London or home counties, I would say that in the 11 years I?ve been in SE London, not once would I have moved anywhere else (and I have lived in N, W and E London at various points in time) ? even if I could easily afford to I do know what people mean when they say ?well, you?d prefer to live in Islington/Chelsea wherever if you had the money tho? ? SE London isn?t very.. lovely to look at, comparitavely speaking. You can get better housing, better transport and better views in many parts of London . All of the shop units are shoe-boxes. South Circular cuts through swathes of it And yet, it?s because of the things it doesn?t have that make it what it is. I genuinely could not contemplate NOT living near a tube before I moved here. But by having to rely on buses and other forms of transport I have learned a LOT more about London than anywhere else Not having music venues and theatres ? yep, I?d like a couple a bit closer but bar Hammersmith/Shep Bush, most of them aren?t that far away People talk about gentrification this or crime that depending on how they want to oppose someone elses argument, but it seems to me to be one of the better blended areas in London. One of the reasons I couldn?t be doing with living in a ?nicer? part is it all becomes more homogenised. Say what you will about ?gentrification? but we don?t have that many braying Henrys in the area. Have you tried having a beer of an evening in even Putney? Dear God? Not many parts of London have so much green space either. London does well compared to most big cities on this score anyway, but this area in particular is genuinely lucky to have so many big parks and the woods nearby Within 10(ish) minutes walk I can be buying food in peckham, walking up to a golf course, having beers in dozens of pubs, viewing London town from the woods, on a train to anywhere in the country, sat in a comedy club watching the biggest names, eating food from many countries in restaurants, visiting renowned museums Such variety in a relatively small area isn?t as commonplace as some people might think. It also feeds into a, for want of a better word, vibe in the area. And obviously I?d miss the Barry Barry run

@jelly no worries

But what if he does have kids? Look, if it means having a pop at Guardian readers or metropolitan liberals, he can sometimes go a little OTT So he was standing up for you fine, upstanding (if easily offended, who knew) Mail readers, in his own way I think he was having a pop at the wrong people tho ? the crew doing the mocking of coutry-dwelling/fashion-deprived/Mail reading types on this thread is limited to the terminally misanthropic likes of woodrot and nowt to do with liberal elites. When it comes to bashing THEM, ???? and woodrot would happily man the barricades together I suspect So, jelly, he isn?t comparing you or any Mail readers to paedophiles. He is ?claiming? that some people on here appear to despise mail readers as much as paedophiles. Which is the sort of odd claim he makes from time to time I normally leave him to it these days, but felt a need to stick up for him a little bit here as you have the slightly wrong end of the stick. (that often happens with Ma? erm, ok not now. But it does. Especially when paedophiles are mentioned)

I like being proved wrong And that pic made me proper laugh http://hotjack.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/sorry.jpg apologies

Have you looked at Forest Hill at all?

http://f0.bcbits.com/z/28/30/2830354321-1.jpg

True, we have all been here before

I know what you and Loz are saying - I get it. I do But if I'm not allowed to read this thread and say "silverfox is beyond hope. Again" because of philosphophical arguments, then I give up "But things always get shaky the moment anyone starts saying this is right and that's wrong. " There are some things we can be absolute about tho, surely?

Blimey Loz - that's a bit of dodgy logic if ever I saw it when DJKQ talks about discrimination, I think it's read that she is talking about discrimination against people who aren't doing anyone any harm - because of sexuality, skin colour or whatever. To bring paedophiles into the equation is strawman devil's advocating Gone Mad And has nowt to do with liberal, Guardianista views

Hot is delayed until tomorrow I'm going to try tge just after 5 as I'm passing anyway but can't stop long