Alan, I don't think anything has descended into hate - you're over egging the pudding here regardless of the merits of the argument about lollipop ladies, Dulwichmum did behave like a "pompous arse." She strated not one but two threads ALL WITH CAPITAL LETTERS WHICH AS SHE WELL KNOWS IS AGAINST FORUM RULES When the threads got moved, instead of having a quiet word with admin or moderators (actually I'm assuming this as I don't know for sure) she started having hissy fits decrying teh whole forum, It was very spoilt behaviour. She hardly ever comes here anymore and when she she threw her toys out of the pram. When Admin responded publicly she hasn't bothered to reply I do know DM in real life, I am aware of the difference between her persona and DM character and it's fair to say she wasn't in character at any point in this discussion. If someone is behaving like a pompous arse there is nothing to stop a moderator so saying. Conversely when David Carnell behaves like a pompous arse, plenty of people are liable to tell him as much too. That all seems fair to me, and without any "hate" as you put it