StraferJack

42 and still it appears I'll be wearing black and leaning against the wall in the gloomy back of the hall

"most men struggle to even change a nappy"? Have you swallowed a generalisation pill today? I can't believe you think that's acceptable to stay with a straight face

Don't be so shy Mike - the sh*tstorm you will inevitably create can't be too far away

A strange statement - if something has been wrong for centuries, no better time that now to start arguing for change I would have thought

I was worried he might slip at the 10th. But would you look at that And listen to the crowd. Not just a great win but the start of something big

ibilly total spend at said newsagents in last 2 years = what? ?50? ?100? Is that enough do you reckon (extrapolated)

Enemy of The State with Will Smith and Gene Hackman - and an uncredited cameo from Gabriel Byrne (and that IS a good enough reason to watch any film) BUt yes - Enemy of the State, a good action movie and Taken a rubbish one

Big fan of Joannas here too

Apart from daily mail bashing I don't see much else of what you claim. The White working class are constantly sneered at are they? En masse? Don quixote called. He wants his windmills back

Sorry (genuinely) but I haven't got anything to "sell" the prejudice and vitriol you speak of seems to be coming from you on a daily basis - I'm fed up of the constant sneering from you re: liberals, Guardian readers, left blah blah blah. Maybe I shouldn't react to it. It's not even like it's a response to anything - some days when the skies are blue you just go looking for a reaction Some of the odd lefties on here are almost enough to make me despair and see where you are coming from. But honestly, I see far more (sometimes cheeky) malice from you than towards you in terms of tone in debates. I don't think I can sell you anything. I believe that governments planned for "normal conditions" - just as banks etc do. the fact that those assumptions were bunkum I blame the financial vendors, not anyone else. You largely don't. You blame Gordon and co for overspending (without context) I'm not knocking that - but given the polarity, no I don't see much room for "selling" alternatives. Not without endless headbanging arguments. And I'm not as keen on those as I once was I regularly make efforts to emphasise where I agree with you. But beyond a need to address the current situation, we diverge quite quickly. I genuinely believe that the current administration is using the current situation to crowbar in ideological reforms which are unacceptable. And because the deficit is so big enough people seem to say "whatever boss" We have different ideas about what history will show. But you spend a lot of time berating the left for sacred cows. Yet anyone who disagrees with the current administration gets short shrift from you - suggesting it's not the left who have sacred cows alone. Who knew

good point DJ - ooops

Undisputedtruth You haven't GOT a good name to defend

Bermondsey hasn't been improved? compared to when? I would argue strongly that Bermondsey now compared to 20 years ago is a massive improvement. And not just Bermondsey St And Elephant is changing too

On the one hand, we hear the left have had an "open goal for 4 years" (why? because everyone else has been so wrong? By implication anyway) But it turns out it's not REALLY an open goal because there is no alternative to current thinking according to ???? That open goal is a mirage. And they are fools, FOOLS I TELL YOU, to even aspire to anything else (however clumsily)

OMG!! I just realised. ???? is totally right We have an ineffective left and the right/business are leading the way. And pulling everyone out of poverty All that worrying over years and years and I needn't have bothered Because it turns out Everything Is Ok Everything Is Sorted (or nearly) I've been a fool to myself

This was funny. Talking about peer reviewed study with someone called Tarot

Two recommendations for the Greyhound? I'm speechless A stunning pub and great in many ways but the food is identikit Mitchell & Butler "fayre" - just blandalanda pap If you go to the Greyhound you will either: a) enjoy the food and be dead to me b) wonder why anyone would recommend such dullness. And then I will wonder why you ignored advice to the contrary Franklins and Palmerston remain the best bets for out of towners who want something restaurant quality More informally, hisar, gowlett and the roast brisket on Sundays at the Florence/Bishop/Vic Inn are solid. And the Mag has upped it's game and sits somewhere in between But the greyhound in the village? no no no

"77% of the UK's labour force are not in a trades union, nor are they suffering from any manifest denial of human rights or lack of tea breaks as a consequence. So we'd have to say they were redundant in that context. " I dunno. Quids description of the situation amongst private sector workers in the drawing room suggests quite the opposite. We might disagree on unions being the best response but to say non unionised workers haven't been more exposed is demonstrably untrue

I doubt you could call djkq a Tory Or a he But you ARE undisputedtruth so who am I to argue.

Linking m&s with the guardian is nuts. I don't disbelieve your colleagues but just as likely to have militant anti m&s guardian readers. People really do seem hung up on guardian readers. Much much much more than is healthy

I dont think "people" say 'the government should pay for...' anywhere near as much as private companies do As for jealousy and pensions - I'm inclined to say we have generally listened to the financial soothsayers for too long and believed the promises. Even with the best of intentions on their part, they are a busted flush. All that expertise should be generating more answers. Its less to do with expertise and more to do with reading seaweed for the weather. So the model of pensions is being clinched tighter by public sector is it? Well it might be broken but show me what replaces it. My comrades in the private sector are rather gloomy about their prospects so I have sympathy with those in the public sector who still have a say in the matter I'm not qualified to say what kind of system should replace current models but I'm open to ideas.

Ive seen a few people get this today. Unsure if it's legit or not. Careful if is asking you to click links.

I see he tweeted the following "Left wing hysteria now dictates that you can't even repeat what people with learning disabilities tell you if it questions their shibboleths" I like that.. You have to be left wing if you oppose him

and the alternative is...?

On the plus side, a MP (from any party) suggesting something is often a long way from becoming policy and he was challenged by other Tory MPs on it... So I'm not worried about that specifically - but there does seem a sense amongst the more extreme MP's that now is a good time to float all this bobbins, in the hope that some of it will stick Floating AND sticking? It's clearly Friday