Like jeremy said, I think Mick's only mistake was in the wording where I think he said 'better demographic'...Am i going to send my kids to one of the academies with their current results and deprivation scores? No. Does this mean they are bad schools, not neccessarily, does that make me a snob, no, but my kids are middle-class kids with middle class parents (there I said it mockney) with 'middle class apirations including giving them the best education possible (within the state system). I don't think the academies are delivering that for a whole bucket of reasons - so the choice for many - who have the luxury of choice - is basically to go private or move out. Some schools which weren't just 'targeted' at inner city deprivation with traditionally poor results, would benefit all in the community, including working class kids Keef, and reflect the changing demography of the southern part of the borough....and I think that is what MM is getting at (correct me if I'm wrong MM). I don't think MM envisages having someone on the gate checking to see if kids coming in drop their aiches or say toilet like wot I do. One cap fits all eh or you're a snob?