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Personally, I think trying to be objective and non-selective about the reality isn't a bad start on all these potentiall thorny issues. Certainly the idiots on the right have a valuable weapon in their armoury and get some traction when they say that 'liberals' and the 'liberal establishment' won't debate these issues properly.....and I'd rather not give the BNP any debating ground to stand on howver tenous.

Sean - get your heart out of your head (and post) so we have these debates based on fact sometimes - you get so emotive about these things and start bandying around "Daily Mail', and semi-accusaitions of little englander just because your figures are 'challenged'. Is it really an honest debate is it to accuse poeple of small mindeness and prejudice when all other are doing is pointing out some other ways of looking at the 'facts'?

You still got a taste for those bounties eh BBW? I presume you got over the cage 'thing'?

Well it doesn't in some sense but if we are measuring 'most' rather than 'average' it does. Same as looking at per capita anything.

Germany until very recently didn't even grant 2nd generation turks proper citizenship and anectdotally racism is less entrenched, institutionalised and far less evident in the general population in the UK than anywhere else in europe, we also seem to have the highets per capita asylum seekers of the major EU nations according to your figures Sean. I suspect that a larger proportion of Asylum seekers are ultimately intent on coming to the UK than elsewhere in the EU - i'm purtting no value/politics on this it just seems fairly likely to me.

Mathew, bulshit comparisons, the words in you post sum it up Given by you and Taken by you...we get your scraps you take our best so going back to your original moan about player loyalty = can we have Yossi back? he didn't finish his contract with us when you came knocking, where's his loyalty?

Phone in for the score on sportslines - I'm not joking

mmm- the aussies bat All the way down, this is the pitch that's meant to favour us over all others, and only Flintoff has vaguely bothered them> I think the Ashes are looking nigh on impossible - We need Harmison back in for the next test as he does bother them

good. we'll have Yossi back then please

..it's a bit laughable isn't it....

*sighs* what is this 'code' you speak of? When I started 'proper' work on my desk on my first day were: A note pad Pens Pencisl A rubber Tipex A file card box with file record carsd A phone An ashtray ..and everyone went down the pub for lunch everday except occasionaly Mondays

mmmmm

I just had one bet today - Kite Wood in the 1st at Newmarket (tu)

boom boom tish

a couple of Bensons too.... if I'm lucky

Isn't the point does any actually want this - I suspect not, or not very many. So once again it's politicians/municipal self importance...they just don't get it

shit...I was forgetting I#m nearly 50

I have to say my ideal would be... "There's ?50, go out on the piss with your mates, don't worry about what time you get back and I'll deal with the kids in the morning"...and I'm not joking

Good days work - though I've gone and laid the draw in the first test at 2.6 with my winnings! RD/MM if you want to see something really scary go on the "general betting" forum on Betfair and look at a thread called "how to lay" or something, I'll check the name later but I'm no good with detail. This blokes taken ?500 t0 ?2000 in 2 months of laying on racing daily, massive swings, Staking plan, etc.... scares the shite ot of me! Nice one today >:D<

You spoke too soon!

"that I wrote all of shakespeares plays and my wife wrote his sonnets"

Cricket on the radio too would be nice

England back on top

online poker, the EDF and Betfair...sorted

Heaven Scent 2nd RD...did you do 'em both?