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you forgot ...those that own a home

May's U-Turn is the issue really. In terms of the Manifestos - endless free stuff, however regressive (and free school meals and no tuition fees FOR ALL are blatantly upper middle-class subsidies thus regressive), paid for by other people is very popular And an actually more progressive policy (the Dementia tax) is unpopular So people want a free lunch........but there is no such thing Not that the Tory manifesto was very inspiring and May's political judgement looks terrible with the u-turn

jaywalker Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The clip of May's interview on news.sky.com has > really made my afternoon. Well done to the press > for not letting her off the hook. I thought they were all Tory Lapdog/Murdoch MSM etc? So, from my point of view, from thinking we had just one incompetent at the head of a major political party I see it's now 2! Oh happy days

Congrats RD 'a romp' in the end - thanks for organising. See ya next season...remember what happened to Leicester :)

Big recovery for Labour according to today's polls - Tories stay as is but LD support collapsing and going to Labour. Looks like we are moving to the old days when the big two got the lion's share of the vote - (excluding Scotland/NI)

On the other hand Steveo a weird cult like worship has developed around him among many Maomentum types so there must be some charisma somewhere in all that passive aggressive anger and holier than thou worthiness :)

rendelharris Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > robbin Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > 33% for an opposition at this stage is > > embarrassingly bad Rendel. Most of those > people > > are voting Labour in spite of him - not voting > for > > him, as you say. > > > > Jeez - the vast majority of his own MPs > recently > > voted that they did not have any confidence in > > him! You may think he's good Rendel, but > > suggesting somehow that he has a lot of support > > (based on that 33% figure) flies in the face of > > reality and seems rather out of character for > you. > > I don't think he's good - I'd rather he wasn't > Labour leader - but tell me, on what opinion poll > do you base the assertion that most are planning > to vote for Labour in spite of him? I'm not aware > of polls asking that sort of question... Look at the ratings on who would make a good or the best prime minister - can't remember which pollster does it 9MORI maybe?). At one stage I think it showed that more Labour voters thought May did above Corbyn (or it was certainly near) - probably improved a bit towards Corbyn now.

The top 1% of tax payers pay 27% of income tax - that's 320,000 people (based on 32 million in employment); many of them will have highly portable skills alot of them won't be UK citizen - if the spread of international workers in say banking in London is anything to go by - and very many of them work for big, international financial services with plenty of offices overseas (that will be exacerbated by Brexit) and easily transferable within their companies; many won't share Left wing views on sharing half of their income for the greater good either; - not hard to say a 100,000 of these moving off the UK payroll with devastating results for tax take. This combined with the anti-business crap that Labour spouts will see an exodus of high vale employees and employers. Stone age economics but at least we'll be more equal in our squalor. Anyone but Labour for me now is the clear cut decision which here in SE22 probably means voting Conservative for the first time in my life - i can feel my dad spinning in his grave.

O'Donnell should get an honorable mention for not knowing what the deficit was too - no need to thank me RH

Pizza's not a bad name Steveo

You'll be in Europe next year too! I think next season Man U will be competitive again, Chelsea clearly,Spuds if they keep Ponch and key players...Arsenal may well not be in Champions League which could help; Guardiola should turn City round - can't see Liverpool being Champs. Sorry Otts

PS Norway has a pretty homogeneous population readily identified as Noreweigan of just 5 million and is the biggest producer of natural gas and oil outside of OPEC be fore we get any of the 'but look at the Scandies' cries, it's about as comparable as the equally stupid 'but look at Singapore' that the Free marketers over use.

The failed economics of the 70s or more recently France but still people fall for the free lunch guff

Wheres as Corbyn's just appointed as head of his campaign (Andrew Murray) someome who was a member of the Communist party in DECEMBER and in Dec 2015 said: "Communism still represents, in my view, a society wort working towards"...good old Jezza the "non-extreme, cuddly, social democrat" My a*rse he is.

Mick Mac Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > titch juicy Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Mick Mac Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > A few predictors seemed to be heart over > head. > > We > > > are all filled with hope at the beginning of > a > > new > > > season I guess. > > > > I dunno. > > To win the league the predictions were: > > RD: Man United > Otta: Liverpool > Jah: Spurs > PD: Arsenal ????: Chelsea - no sentiment from me with those tossers

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Malambu can you remember what it was like trying to get a phone installed or repaired before privatisation? ? weeks on wednesday 3pm and they they didn't show 50% of the time - the railways were sh1t too, crappy timetables that were ignored, rude staff was the general default, awful rolling stock, don't even mention flying when there were only publicly owned choices . I think a whole generation who weren't there seem to think nationalised industries were great (they were not at all) or some older posters have some very selected memories.

Well. I think that's what you call an already on the flight to Falaraki performance.

I had great Aunts - Enid, Ada, Doris (Dolly) some of these are coming back and my granddad was an Arch which seemed archaic but Archie is back with a vengence, Meanwhile very common names from my playground years that seem rare in young kids: Kevin, Andrew, Keith, Adrian, Nigel, Jane, Janice, Nicola

Lisa.M Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Anything other than a labour > governed Britain will lead to a facist Britain! > None of us want that! Wake up guys!!! Labour > labour labour "If you call everyone Hitler eventually Hitler ceases to exist" ....are you about 13?

I have been in away ends a fair few times in London in the terrace days normally a good 500+ West Ham in the North Bank or Shelf or Shed in those days

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No it's not it's just another howling at the moon and they, public schoolboys, or some of them, seem to specialise in it. Is it middle-class guilt or sum fink, feck knows. I don't think they have any "rigidness" over us than our own capacity to believe them. Anger with 'the system 'is just stupidity, anger with stupidity is fine though

Nope - society is what it is with some of it's flaws which will right themselves over time to be replaced by other imperfections - it's not rigged by vested interests. Globally - the bogey 'neo liberalism' and free markets are delivering unprecedented increase in wealth, accelerating decline in hunger (more people now dying of obesity than starvation), massive improvements in health (life expectancy and infant mortality improving at phenomenal rates) - the anti-capitalist left and spoilt westerners struggle a bit with this reality so we get the tedious narratives of exploitation, unfairness etc. Empirically by any positive measure capitalism outclasses socialism by such a vast gap it's laughable that otherwise intelligent people seem to take pride in still declaring "i'm a socialist " as some badge of honour, seriously has me scratching my head. The main barriers to these global improvements are political and theocratic idealism.

basically the 'rigged' society narrative is exactly the same sort of ignorant populism that UKIP gave us pre-Brexit and once more largely given by public school educated, marxist tossers from Islington.