SeanMacGabhann

it's famous for being a #2 behind Dolce I loved it at the time. These days... not so much

oh it is, Miss Community - don't think I'm trying to stop you. I was just saying you reinforced a point I had made mere hours before you posted. I would have thought that anyone reading this thread would at least acknowledge the fact before then going on to detail their experience I'm not trying to say you didn't have bad service - I'm just trying to suss out why there is such a gap between my experiences (and other people I know) and yours (and other posters on here).

ha - I have seen people get Rob Rouse and Jason Rouse mixed up... they didn't seem pleased

best stand-up I ever went to was the lemongrove in Exeter - Bill Hicks on an early UK tour. jaw-dropping stuff at the time

pssst Louisa - you might want to have a look at the argy-bargy being given to Emily's chipper on the recommendations section. Turns out it's not just shops selling overpriced toss that get complaints I also love the fact that mere posts after I said how it's odd that some places attract ire from people who have never posted before up pops Miss Community. I don't really care about the shops -it's the gap between not-insignificant allegations of staff behaviour and the absence of anything remotely similar anytime I have been in there that troubles me. If Mrs Robinson (in this case) was really as bad as is being made out by some people on here why have I never seen anything like that? Why have I always been treated well when I go in there?

Hmm - from someplace I was looking forward to going (even tho I was there last night anyway) to somewhere the curry club had a bizarre experience?

careful quids.. I was humming Ghost Town to the West Ham game coverage the other night

Tas about 5 years ago were ahead of the game - of late they have expanded too much (I reckon) and the food has taken a hit in quality. Quite a big hit. It's still decent... but not what it was

It was huge, bone was involved but sharing it would be pushing it...

I've always had a thing for that place

Nope porterhouse her as well Mick Mac I have bought them in (shhh...) The Butchers on Lordship Lane Of course you risk being gunned down by chip-on-shoulder types - but a porterhouse is worth it

Agreed oh and as peolpe are swapping Oz experiences - my 3 weeks in Australia was constant sun. The service was excellent. But many people I met were openly racist. That'll be that political correctness nonsense which hasn't taken root there yet

There is some real chip on shoulder stuff flying around here What I'm hearing is bunch of people saying there is an "air" and a "feeling" of snobbery. I don't know why Louisa is throwing "superiority" into the mix as well - it's just emotional blackmail - "don't criticise me or it will just show you up for being middle class and arrogant!". It's a bunch of emotional accusations, no better than middle class people saying they "feel" uncomfortable around poor kids wearing hoodies and saying their is an "air " of violence Feelings are real and true. But they ain't always right There is a reason shops like Robinson and William Rose have threads started by people we never usually hear from , complaining about customer service and it has far less to do with actual customer service than it does AnotherPauls excellent checklist. Bad customer service is not uncommon but you only have to stand in a shop with other customers for 2 minutes to realise that more often than not* it's ill-informed, cranky, selfish customers who, like good British people, love to moan * NB - more of then than not. I didn't say never.

what is with that Neko Case wander into nature at the end of the new album tho?

Sounds similar to what happened with the original Footie thread - too big maybe?

nooo - not Hisar!

I watched a bit of the game last night and felt bad that quids gave up an evening to go and see it then I read about Warnock and couldn't believe it. Then I thought, no I CAN believe it So then I watched Stewart Lee's new show on BB2 and all was ok again.

That describes most of my friendships - nowt wrong with it!

I'm posting this one specifically to address Louisa's accusation at me that something is so JUST because I say so (in this case "there are better quality sausage rolls than Greggs") Louisa took great offence at this so I will do my best to be clear Things we know about Louisa and meat: She cares about good sausage meat http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?9,226157,226937#msg-226937 is able to differentiate between quality without anything other than her say-so/opinion http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?9,226157,226935#msg-226935 and has a strong dislike of "dodgy" & "shitty" meat http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?5,214074,215570#msg-215570 So who am I to say that Greggs sausage rolls are not as good as AN Other's ? I can't ask Greggs - they won't put the nutritional content on their website Well we can agree that Gregg's sausage rolls are cheap surely? And given that it's a sausage roll it's worth knowing what allows cheap sausage meat A quote from the Channel4 website (David Gardener, writer and editor of independent food website, sausagelinks.co.uk) "Economy sausages are essentially pork slurry made from recovered meat with fat, bread and colourings added to it. The mixture is emulsified in an industrial process that mixes meat and incorporates fat and bread into it to spread the meat finer. If you cook one of these sausages and cut it in half, it will have a smooth, even face and a consistent colour." Mmmmm... already I'm salivating. Do I KNOW for a fact that Greggs use this kind of meat? I can only say I have eaten enough crap sausages to put it in that bracket and say I would be surprised if it wasn't What about quality pork sausage then? The kind I'm tasting in EDD rolls - according to the same site: "At the top end, the ingredients list is much shorter; something like 40% belly pork, 40% boned shoulder of pork, 10% breadcrumbs, 5% water and 5% herbs and spices." Is anyone else going to stand up for Greggs sausage rolls and say the meat is good quality. By all means say you like them - cheap stodgy shite is usually held together with fat and spices which is why we crave them, but objectively, better quality it ain't Or take this article by Matthew Fort in, yes, the Guardian (and before anyone pipes up on that score, if you have a problem with the facts says so - don't pathetically dismiss it as "well they would say that" - is it true in which case answer it. if it isn't true, come back with salient facts) http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2000/oct/27/foodanddrink.recipes As well as detailing the slurry, gristle, bone and mechanically reformed meat (And remember THIS is the meat Louisa is preferring to a steak from a butchers in Peckham????) the question of bias, status and cash was raised "when tasting blind, and when price was not an issue, your average, everyday sausage consumer knew quality when he or she tasted it. Each year the sausages that went through to the final were the best in each area. That is, they had the highest meat content, the best quality meat, natural casings and fresh herbs or spices, and were made by small-scale butchers." Or local boy Jay Rayner's article http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/jan/18/budget-food-supermarkets which highlights why the poor have to make do with shitty food because the supermarkets dictate the content. Not the middle classes looking down on the poor - but the very shops which present themselves as saviours of the poor "To increase the amount of apple in an apple pie by more than 40% cost 0.8p. As the cost of raw ingredients is only a quarter of the finished product's retail price, these really are tiny amounts. All of these improvements, even represented as double-digit percentages, may look marginal but the differences in the finished product are discernible. In a series of blind taste tests that I conducted, the overwhelming majority of people identified our new improved products and preferred them. And if that sounds like banal advertising patter, so be it." Britain has been the laughing stock of the world when it comes to food for too long - attitudes which dictate that a Greggs sausage roll is no worse than a gourmet one would have us stand still. And die 10 years younger to boot

Which is of course the whole point and why this debate isn't REALLY about sausage rolls. I'm still unsure if Louisa meant what she was saying or if she was enjoying a little forum shite-stirring.

I will start a relevant thread later. But the original topic of this thread doesnt deserve to be lounged so i suggest we let the thread in back on topic

beef apologies - I got sucked into a pathetic argument because a few people decided to go off on a bizaare class-rant thing. I thought that by sticking to a few simple facts i could win someone around and get back to the topic I was misguided in my beliefs Again

Another point to clarify Louisa - I'm no ex Claphamite. My previous addresses were East Ham, rural Devon, Swindon, rural Ireland. Working class to a fault all of them

Louisa - it's nothing to do with class. if you can't tell the difference then, you are just wrong. I wouldn't say stupid You can't drag a single mother of 4 in Peckham into EVERY argument. At a given point in history that would be an excuse to not have indoor toilets!!! "Well I COULD AFFORD to get a toilet but how will that make all the peolpe with outdoor loos feel??" I haven't berated anyone who buys stuff from greggs - in fact I went out of my way to say fair play if it's you favourite! WhaT I said was if you can't tell the difference then there is something wrong. Not the first time you take my words, reorder them change them and then put them back in my mouth (err.. so to speak)

Indeed - but you were more reasonable and less emotional than I