SeanMacGabhann

Well, that was definitely true at the Wishing Well! - but I sort of went into their space really. And those blokes do tend to be a bit nutty

JJF - did she really have all of that surgery without any blood transfusions? Blimey..

So in what other capacity is it ok to enter a crowded space where you have a captive audience and force your unwanted views on them?

whaaaaat? That's not passion, that's being nuts. If they started showing similar passion about anything else - cheese? - it wouldn't be their passion you admired surely? When I'm on a bus I don't want to hear anyone banging on about anything - be it religion, or school kids shouting about something that was "bare funy bruv". Call me a white male if you like but as a raised working-class catholic, "passion" for religion is a bone of contention for me [Edit] that read more aggressively than I meant it so just want to say, err.... I'm not trying to shout you down. I just can't think of a better way to make my point right now!

this man is a lateral thinker - I like it

you're not saying YOU buy it are you?

Nope, just most other religions treat Reveleations as the black sheep of the family and tend to agree it's pretty nuts. Although there are many other books which have been dis-included in the canon anyway - no-one is reading the whole text. But now we are getting into an area of talking about religion and faiths generally which I know has upset some good people before and should perhaps be carried on in a thread oother than this one (where even religious people might be inclined to have a pop at door-to-door people)

My wish would be to include the wider area - most of the pubs I go to seem to be outside SE22 for example - and I have posted a possible wider border. And I hate postcode lottery/snobbery/arbitrariness as well! But, the line has to be drawn somewhere - and if anyone of us does it it's open to all sorts of disagreements. Whereas if you limit it to a postcode the only possible disagreement is "is that right or wrong?" So, reluctantly, I'm going along with the SE22 definition. And I think Keef's point clinched it "I doubt organisers of a Peckham awards, of Forest Hill awards would allow someone to noninante the Bishop."

uh oh - I feel a defensive SMG post coming on....

Oh dear God (;-)) CWALD - that's in Revelations which, of all of the biblical texts is the most fantastical, farcical and irrelevant. (possible tautology alert, depending on your beliefs there) Besides, a cap on the number of people getting in to heaven is the least of our problems if even half the things in that book come to pass

I think Mike P is baiting a little bit with the Wetherspoons thing Jeremy. And yet, he is probably actually going there as well...

you know all those people who never come to the Gaming Room, but who think Piers is just loooooovely - I wish they would check it out once in a while ;-)

I think this thread may be degenerating in just the manner MM despairs of!

doesn't say much for him generally if he's limiting it to that many. And we have to compete with the dead! Imagine being close to one of the last people to get in and then Ghandi shows up with a few of his mates - bah

well that's because you have your priorities sorted innit!? ;-)

I remember thinking the same Keef only to find most of LL shut I do remember a long lunch on NYD at the Bishop a couple of years ago - the Daily Mail reading inlaws liked the food but looked around at the customers and said "so this is the chattering classes is it?" So the Bishop is open. I think. Has been before

They aren't more annoying to me than the cold-calls I get from some call-centre in upnorthsville or India But that's not to say they aren't ALL very annoying I used to live with a Jehovas Witness - which was good because I didn't get any of them cold-calling. But they really believe this stuff. Like REALLY.. with no irony, wink or nod or nuffink. 144, 000 of us getting to heaven, people and that's it - if your names not on the list etc etc

what's been said already basically - although the Xbox is really really pushing it's family friendly games this Christmas - You're in the Movies , Lips (sort of like Singstar on PS2/3) etc Having seen 5 grown ups spend about 5 hours playing Lips last weekend and then sneaking back when I wasn't looking don't underestimate it. I have been really really disappointed with the Wii - what I saw at other people's houses was as good as it got and I could have saved some money. Although I now have room to get the Wii fit out... I have owned every Playstation bar the PS3 but as already said there are almost zero reasons to buy one - and it's way expensive. Bluray capability MIGHT swing it for some but as the Xbox360 allows you to download hi-def films, OR stream them from your pc anyway I would argue that's moot (I'm not paying ?20 for a bleedin bluray movie) So in order of my preferences 1) Xbxox 360 (variety, price, graphics, hi def) 2) Wii (those family friendly "games" 3) PS3 (if it was cheaper and had more games.... )

The EDF 3 years ago http://www.jefflindsay.com/gif/apl/yellow-fields.jpg The EDF 18 months ago http://www.hbo.com/deadwood/img/episodeguide/season01/ep01_seth_sol_arrives.jpg the EDF now http://www.reviewlondon.co.uk/x/croydon-shopping-04.jpg

well judging by what it's done to you and Mockney.. ;-) I remember at the time I was in East Ham, we met you something like for or 5 times in one season. Those were uncomfortable games to watch in the local pubs I can tell you

Sue describes exactly why I gave up on the trains about a year after moving to ED - even now, if I'm near London Bridge station I think "ugh... queue at one of 2 working ticket machines for ages, wait at a platform for 10 minutes and then".. well trudging back from ED station is no longer an issue but the reality is my miindset has completely embraced buses, even when I'm standing on London Bridge itself for 20 minutes in biting wind.

bugger - I had written a longish post and the I read lard's post and that was pretty true and cancels some if mine out - but as I've gone to the trouble here it is anyway: ----- Even Sean "sits on the fence apparently" declared his allegiance early on this thread Re: supporting who you grow up near verus choosing - I veer towards the former but I wasn't even born in this country so does that mean I can't support a team? I can say that growing up in rural Ireland in the 70s was in many ways fairly miserable (although we are far away from Angela's Ashes territory here) so the "glamour" of English football was not to be sniffed at. my early allegiance to Arsenal stems, as I've said on here before, from them having well over half a team or Irish players, plus an Irish manager. Seemed pretty logical to me (although most other kids I knew plumped for Liverpool first, then Man U) I don't think I was even that aware of their history or relative success for a couple of years I lived in East Ham for 4 years. I met and knew several Hammers fans - some were top blokes and more than some were dodgy. When they weren't trying to sell me hooky gear they were complaining about the ethnic make-up of the area etc etc. But you know the sort, they had charisma. But to my mind their allegiance to their club was almost an affliction rather than something to be proud of - they would justify almost any misdeed by returning to "roots", "being a proper supporter etc" - I just felt glad I didn't have to put up with that growing up so I could better bond with a club. I'm not picking out West Ham for any other reason than it was the only time I lived close enough to a ground to be part of the local community - I'm sure it's similar story in any other club Back to Arsenal - I stopped going to games not because of overpaid teenagers on the pitch, but because of idiots in the crowd. If it wasn't the Tim nice-but-dim fans who spent the whole time telling everyone to sit down, it was the thugs yelling and singing abuse beyond any reasonable boundary. The ones you know don't "release all their tensions" at a game but live their whole life in some sort of put-upon-it-was-the-ref/government/taxman-wot-done-it mental siege That's not meant to suggest they made up the majority of the crowd, but enough of them existed in all parts of the ground to make me wonder why I bothered spending money I didn't have, to go there I've watched football in every town I have lived - Cork, Exeter, Swindon, Dulwich as well as the Arsenal - so I don't think I'm just a glory-hunter. I love the game.. just less than I used to

in 9 hours time, I won't mind if I'm having high tea or a plastic litre bottle of mad dog 20/20 - I'll be out of here!

I liked Brendan's summary a lot! MM - your ennui is one many people experience every so often. 'Tis the nature of the beast after all. Even without an ever increasing population on here - if you froze time at the point you thought it peaked - then the same voices would rise and fall I find that just as many like-minded and engaging souls are joining but it is harder to locate and maintain an interesting thread simply because the spread and variety of people mean there is a much more diverse conversation going on - most of which doesn't interest me (or you by the sound of it) at the moment but it will roll the other way again One of the highlights for me this year was seeing the Family Room take off in the way it has - and I think I might have posted on there only once - but one can see how valuable it is to many people. The fact that it is of no interest to me is neither here nor there But if you want a fight.. ;-) I see on the bus forum that someone thinks the bus companies are laying off buses due to fuel costs - nothing to do with Boris dropping Ken's Venezuela deal as soon as he took office is it? Personally

for some things it's never too early for what I'm doing, it's not late enough (by about 9 hours)