SeanMacGabhann

I hear what you are saying, but for me the difference comes down to initiating the subterfuge, as opposed to just reporting on it. If it was the NotW reporting wikileaks for example I wouldn't be so bothered But using your own reporters and methods to do this is a step further

Not sure what the parantheses refer to but a newspaper actually bugging peoples phones for a potential if flimsy story versus a newspaper being presented, by a completely different third party, with documented evidence of governments lying to people seems like two fairly distinct things to me

fine work narnia.... welcome lil

I Don't have a microwave k.

some pret-tay pret-tay happy Aston Villa/Bent fans tonight

meat-eaters might survive without meat The animals they eat won't be so lucky tho

just for the record I don't think I (or anyone else) has said anyone who goes to a supermarket is categorically wrong I'm arguing strongly against an M&S and a Waitrose on LL tho (and I'm partial to shopping in Waitrose, for the record) But processed ready meals. wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrongwrong wrong wrongwrong wrong wrongwrong wrong wrongwrong wrong wrong And you don't need me to say that - anyone who has them feels it in their BONES when they have one... "why do I feel a bit... queasy... and argumentative... and defensive... and ick ick ick" microwave lasagne.. purlease. No such thing should exist. "what I'm looking for is something with the elegance of da Vinci, the boldness of Hirst, the retrospectiveness of a Hoppper" well I have a reproduction of a Katie Price print - will that do? "will it make my eyes bleed and I'll feel ill? yeah? alright then"

this is one of those subjects where someone says one thing, and someone else puts a whole different set of words in their mouth isn't it?

hmm - I think my sarcasm was lost. I saw DJ's riposte as proving your (H's) point

A nutritionist eh? well let's not question that source - someone who has spent as many years as a nutritionist, and has to gain all those qualifications... oh hang on But go on then - which ready meal would you recommend as tasty and moreish?

But what is the other side? People lack time? People lack money? People don't care? What am I meant to empathise with? Food sets us up for so much else in life - and I'm certainly not advocating some gastro-porn alternative reality. Just repeating the mantra that good food exists the word over. If you aren't a famine/corrupt government afflicted nation and poor, you probably eat better than many britons. Why is that? Is it because I can't see another side or because people who eat shit (and you can reduce salt in shit but it's still shit with less salt in it) can't see another side?

if only there was somewhere else that sold fruit and veggies within 50 yards sorry, I'm being facetious now but come on - is co-op the only option for fruit and veg? there has NEVER in 10 years been a reason for me to buy fruit or veg in co-op or somerfield before it And they ain't cheap

well it is you who is defining that choice - If i'm short of time and money I consider neither making a "court bouillon" or having a "microwave lasagne" (shudder - thanks jeremy) on a rainy Tuesday I'm not suggesting turning back clocks - I'm just using information available to us to make a better choice. You say people want the convenience of this stuff but come on, everyone knows how they feel when they have had shit processed food. They feel shit.

6666 has got to be worth something to someone, no?

all of which might be true but I suspect it's more the x-factor watching/gym going fraternity posting on here and if there is something good about building massive car parks encouraging people to drive around even more, I've missed it I am confused tho -is it people don't want to spend time cooking or can't? I suspect most people have just pushed it to the bottom of their priority list. Their choice. But if it genuinely is "I think it's a crying shame that we've lost the skill to make a stew" then you might want to look a bit harder at the reasons why there are people with no time or money, which helps your argument and for that I agree with you. But that argument doesn't stack up against most people arguing for the supermarkets in question on here. They choose to do other things - that is their right and if they want to argue the toss with the likes of me and Carnell as to which is a better use of time then let them. But suggesting that the masses in the area are downtrodden and don't have the time is a nonsense Money and time were both a lot scarcer 50 years ago and yet people seem to remember their parents making good meals at home - no way do I believe we are less able as a nation to do the same. We might not want to but it's a different argument and doesn't mean I lack empathy

ok you can get slightly cheaper but no better bargains than a butcher and tasting of shite still

up to you but at ?4.40 per kilo on mince beef at Asda I'm not sure what bargain you are getting - and it tastes of little bullets

way to prove a point DJKQ

not sure which of my posts suggested that. I held off posting in this thread by and large for exactly this reason - 17 pages of obviously relatively affluent people on the "yes please to M&S and Waitrose" and as soon as a few of us start to posit why that might be a bad thing, out come arguments about poor people. I'll say again - poor people around the world eat better (healthier, tastier) than poor British people - there is a reason. A general incuriousity about food coupled with a pre-disposition for convenience. (and those characteristics exist across the spectrum of incomes - hence the rubbish food in Dulwich Village for example) erm, james - best put me down as a no btw

I'm pretty sure you didn't mean it keef, but your post makes the supermarkets sound like benevolent charities, observing the number of poor people across the land and printing vouchers to help them. If I wanted to help poor people I would take all the food the supermarkets reject for being the wrong shape and pass that onto poor people - that's just for starters. Your point about your mum (and others) being good with money still holds tho - there are all manner of ways of making money last - and they don't have to involve supermarkets. David pointed out a couple earlier

I think by his stance Carnell is trying to prevent that happening rather than worrying when it's too late . And given that the shops are more likely to disappear with supermarkets dominating it's a bit monopolistic The argument about poor families is a repeated refrain - and not in any way invalid - but it's not one that most of the people begging for M&S and Waitrose are bothered with surely. I don't think anyone is suggesting abolosh supermarkets but if people are arguing for more (and expensive ones at that) it's fair to point out the folly of that argument?

Cheers but it would mean more if you didn't use THAT smiley!

As for the supermarkets helping poorer families, repeated studies have debunked that myth. They aren't all bad btw. I'm not 100% Ian Paisley no no no but when I hear people saying "yes please it will show the area is on the up" I despair.

I tend to agree with Keef about my food. But it's still better than any ready made meals. I won't die of a stroke at 50 from hydrogenated fats and salt. And I also take his point about how not all families have similar circumstances. But I would argue that many people on here and most who would shop at a waitrose have extremely similar circumsances But even if they provided they bestest food in the world there is still something depressing about A) millions of people eating the EXACT same food every night B ) people willingly giving up skills to choose and cook what they want And all this just to get to another homogenised high street. Whoop de fucking doo

"I voiced my opinion already, on the original 'rabbit fur coat for sale' ad, only to have my post deleted shortly after, when I wasn't being abusive. or offensive, just giving my opinion. " As was pointed out at the time, the for sale section isn't the place for ethical debate. Yours was one of several posts removed so don't feel so hard done by Why are you banging on about people shooting you down on this thread?