Jeremy

charliecharlie Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ???? am I missing something here ???? Jet Set Willy... 80s computer game set in a mansion, with increasingly bizarrely named rooms. Never mind, it's probably more of a boy thing.

Nero, I assume you're thinking about a station between Loughborough(sp?) Junction and Elephant & Castle. If so, I'm fairly sure there used to be one, which would have been accessed via Camberwell Station Road.

The Master Bedroom The Chapel The Nightmare Room Entrance To Hades The Banyan Tree Orangery (this is Jet Set Willy, right?)

I was very suspicious about the condoms being left outside, why on earth would they do that?! The wealthy russian mafia in East Dulwich didn't really add up either!

HAL9000 - that's a good point, but why accept the New Testament over and above the Old Testament? You are still picking and choosing which bits of a religious text to accept. The answer is probably that we accept the bits which fit our existing morals.

Sorry about that Charlie, didn't realise it was you...

The 12 goes round a longer route than the 176, I would avoid it personally. If you nevertheless have a bus fetish, use the 176. The train would be my preferred option if you live near the station, the changeover is painless.

It would be great for the area, and maybe even ease the awful congestion caused by hundreds of buses through Camberwell Green and Walworth Road. And a Bakerloo line / London Overground interchange at Denmark Hill would be awesome. It will never happen though.

Awesome pictures, nashoi. Chair... I disagree. The photos demonstrate artistic merit, i.e. a direct response to the question in the title. The problem is differentiating the art from the mindless vandalism, it's not always an easy distinction to make - at least not in written terms. How do you define laws which allow art to be created on a garage or along a railway, but at the same time protect historical buildings, people's homes, etc?

Damian Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > LOGICALLY a person's choice of a > 'good' life is AS JUSTIFIED as the choice of a > 'bad' life IF there is nothing after we die Only if your justification comes in the form of eternal reward/punishment. In practise there are other more logical/explicable justifications for leading a "good" life... the way your parents raise you, conforming to accepted social behaviour, legal/penal systems... and probably most importantly the desire for friendship/companionship/love. Live a life surrounded by friends or enemies - which would you prefer? I would also say again that the supposed moral framework provided in the bible (and I dare say in other religious texts) is highly suspect. Surely even most Christians do not believe that adulterers should be stoned to death. Should I be execued for doubting God's existence? Was God right to kill every living human and animal (except for lucky old Noah + family) through anger and jealousy? Any rational person would of course say no to all these things. As soon as you start picking and choosing which parts of the "moral code" to adhere to, the whole argument becomes invalid. Morality is not prescribed in ancient text. It is formed through experience and empathy, social norms, etc.

If it's a veggie indian, I would (perhaps foolishly) assume that it's some sort of authentic regional cuisine. Hopefully it won't just be mix veg curry with onion bhajis.

SteveT, perhaps start a new thread on immigration if you fancy it... as it's a bit off-topic. (but as a side-note, I thought that the UK only recently became net importers of energy)

Silverfox, I really think you're getting the issues confused. Of course some people who are paralysed are able to live a life which is in some way fulfilling. The issue is not about "whinging about the cards life has dealt", as you so tacfully put it. It is about personal choice. Revisiting your earlier post again: What would be your suggested method? Do you not think that a painless lethal injection would be rather more dignified?

In answer to the OP... I don't see the harm in providing this area for graffiti. Many people believe it's a valid artform worthy of merit, etc, then why not provide facilities. Obviously it won't stop mindless vandalism and territorial "tagging" though.

silverfox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > If a person of rational mind decides they want to > end their life (if that's not a contradiction) in > most cases they are able to do this unassisted. > Why is there a need to legalise assisted suicide? How about people who are paralysed? Or people with conditions which they know will deteriorate - who want to make sure that when they are no longer of sound mind and/or body, they will be able to die a peaceful and dignified death?? Arguments against legalising assisted suicide just seem incredibly weak to me. I am sure it is only a matter of "when" - not "if" - it becomes legal, in years to come it will seem incredible that this ridiculous law ever existed!

Loz, you are right... I realised that this weekend. The offy is still there. Wid, unfortunately there's not much choice locally, but if you are willing to get on the bus/bike/car/train then Dragon Castle near Elephant & Castle is very good. People seem to rate Lamoon in Camberwell, I have not tried it though.

64K should be plenty for a pacman clone - e.g. Atari 2600 games were a max of 4K.

mlteenie Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Don't think Fenders are right with 'buckers. Exactly... which is why you shouldn't use them for rock. You need humbuckers for the dirt.

It doesn't seem out of the question that a 79 year-old could be a computer user, and curious about peer-to-peer downloads.

The home-cooked vs restaurant debate doesn't really hold water for me when it comes to curry. Most of the Indian places locally are not "special treat" restaurants, they are the kind of places you go to if you can't be bothered to cook, want some grub to soak up the beer, or simply if you want to get out of the house and eat in a sociable environment.

Why would customers take used condoms with them with they leave, then throw them on the floor? How does anyone know that they are young girls from the Baltic states, and that they are being exploited? Why would wealthy Russian mafia types in BMWs come to a backstreet brothel in deepest South London, surely they can afford to go more upmarket? Are brothels illegal? (I genuinely don't know)

I don't buy into Pascal's Wager. Surely if there is a God, he will know what we are all thinking - therefore he would know that the individual was not a true believer. As Richard Dawkins said, Pascal's Wager is basically just cowardly bet hedging!

Les Paul played through a JCM800... Strat played through a fender twin... they sound pretty bloody different to me.

I was annoyed at having to get a cab from London Bridge... sounds like I got off lightly compared to some!

Damian - you're saying that the only reason to "do the right thing" is to be rewarded in an afterlife. I fundamentally disagree with what you say, people do not need a carrot and a stick to force them to behave. Religious texts do not teach us morals - or at least they certainly should not. For example, anyone who takes the teachings of the old testament at face value will end up with a seriously weird code of conduct (after all, the God of the old testament was a jealous mass murderer!) You do not need to be religious and fear punishment in the afterlife to be a good person. I would say that people should derive their morals from experience, empathy, understanding of others. Actually, most people like to do the right thing by their fellow man simply because it makes us feel good about ourselves.