TLS, you weren't one of those of whom I spoke. However, there are contributors to that thread who remain in my mind The Unforgiven. And I assert that 'bird' is the appropriate counterpart to 'bloke', just as 'woman' is to 'man' and 'lady' to 'gentleman'. Any questions? See, now I'm going to have to think of something to say about the C-charge in order to avoid accusations of thread de-railing. Tschah. OK - I am in favour. I am not in favour of the Western extension. And I think the chuffing Embassies should pay up, the arrogant so-and-so's.