Lord McG you have a point, but it's not a wholly fair analogy. Buses- clear system, easy to use, hard to (genuinely) claim you didn't know what you were doing. Not so with parking. I'm not saying you can use ignorance as a defence, but (back to your ratiojalisation/emotion point re: posting) it helps understand where people are coming from, i.e. I didn't MEAN to break the rules. It is undeniably frustrating to be whacked for a big fine when you tried to do it right. Buses - one central public company, one set of rules. Not so with traffic wardens. Bus drivers aren't incentivised to catch fare dodgers either-at least, I think not! (That's presumably why the fare-dodger-catchers on buses and trains talk to people they've caught and make a decision whether to fine them or not...don't think you get that with traffic wardens. Oh dear, was that me trying to be serious? Shame on me. Back to the Lounge!