JoeLeg at what point do you stop and have a word with yourself? I've not insulted you, called you any names, suggested you have a some ulterior motive, etc, etc. But you have at me, for no sensible reason that I can see. I said what I feel and refused to be painted into a corner to justify it, because I feel what I feel and don't have to justify it to anyone, now matter how abusive they get on the internet. Wow, big crime. That seems to make you feel entitled to attack me and make accusations of superiority or whatever it was. And you call that 'robust' ! Well good for you for being a steadfast internet poster, I genuinely wish you all the best mate. Please read this message again, note the absence of insults, it is possible you know ! Maybe I'm naive, but if someone starts attacking someone when they haven't been attacked themself doesn't that mean they are angry, frustrated, a bully or something ? Perhaps it's just the internet 'way' when a poster can't get what they want. I'm speculating here, I concede that. Look I don't know but I sure never meet bullies like this face to face.