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Could not agree more. Rockets Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > DulwichGirl82 - the experiment has failed. > Completely and utterly. The council knows it, the > pro-closure lobby knows it - we all know it. The > experiment has forced traffic from one set of > roads onto another set of roads, increasing > congestion and pollution as a result. For all the > harping on about modal shifts in Dulwich Village > and for all the pictures of people cycling and > walking the overall impact has been a negative one > on the broader Dulwich community. The council is > well aware of this and is trying to manipulate > everything in a desperate attempt to justify the > closures. They know that they have to try and hang > on for their own credibility. The whole idea was > flawed from the beginning, badly planned and > poorly executed and will have done untold harm to > the long-term goals of reducing pollution. > > It is a shame as it didn't take a rocket scientist > to work out what would happen when you closed > those roads (many on here predict exactly what was > going to happen). The reason many won't answer > your question is because they fail to acknowledge > there is a problem as it undermines their whole > position. Once you acknowledge that there has been > displacement the experiment will have failed.

first mate Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Eh? My thought exactly ;)

Agree. I walked down LL towards GG yesterday - always been busy but ever since these ridiculous road closures were introduced it's been a complete nightmare. devs Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I dont believe the closures benefit pedestrians at > all. I dont drive and live on one of the main > roads. It's been really unpleasant walking along > Lordship Lane up to the Harvester with idling > traffic belching out fumes since the planters were > installed.

One Dulwich is urging people to register their objections to the closure of Calton Avenue and Court Lane ? the deadline is 17 December 2020. [www.onedulwich.uk] More information here: www.southwark.gov.uk.

3xr: clutching at straws. rahrahrah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Farage (predictably) is jumping on the anti bike > lane / anti low traffic neighbourhoods ticket.

I'm not 'older'; have been in the area for about 16 years and for about six in my current place. I live not far from the Grove Tavern and can see the traffic from my windows. It became much worst immediately after the LTNs were put into place - I saw it with my own eyes from my own windows(but obviously pro-closure peeps know better). It used to be the rush hours that were v. busy; now it is rush hour all day long with idling traffic, screeching brakes, shouting drivers & cyclists and endless honking - have not seen anything like this here before. No one benefits from this blasted scheme except for people living on the closed roads - majority is being treated with extra fumes and noise so they can have Halloween parties. Also, you can't say that only people living in Dulwich are affected - it is not an isolated village in the middle of nowhere; closures in one borough affect another. If I was working in Lewisham and was stuck on the bus for five hours every day because of the LTNs I would also have a right to complain. legalalien Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > If only we could have a break down of where those > supporting / not supporting live and their > demographic. I personally know loads of people > within the LTN - business owners, friends and > acquaintances who are opposed to the DV /Calton > closures. For a variety of reasons - problems for > the business; mobility problems; parents trying to > get to after school and sports activities; and > despite some posters on here insisting that social > conscience cannot possibly be a thing, a large > number believing it?s unfair to do an instant, > under- analysed migration of all traffic to > residential A roads. I know hardly anyone locally > (in fact possibly no-one other than the posters I > see on here) who supports the closures. > > Those who support the closures presumably have a > group of friends / acquaintances who believe the > same as them - I don?t think they?re being > ingenuous when they suggest they support a > majority view. So one way or another we?re in > bubbles. Is it maybe age related / related to how > long people have been in the area? Is it younger > people with primary aged children who have moved > to Dulwich more recently who are in favour and > older, old timers against? I put that up there as > a straw man in the interests of trying to > understand why both sides are so far apart and > believe their views are majority views - not > (before anyone jumps on me) as some sort of > ?anti-newcomer? sentiment.

Totally agree with you Penguin - for years Underhill Road has been my to-and-from work walking route - it is now as bad in the afternoon as Lordship Lane. Penguin68 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > As above the traffic on LL is terrible, this is > likely related to those being unable to go to the > village/HH and beyond via court lane and turney > road, so all having head along LL to S circular. > > Which also explains why Underhill Road now has > standing traffic through the evening rush hour, as > people try to get to the A205. Until these > closures standing traffic was only caused by skip > deliveries, and was quite rare - it's now a daily > occurrence Monday to Friday. So my air quality has > plummeted - but there's no Southwark maven > measuring around me!

If malumbu lives in Lewisham why he is commenting on the "Goose Green councillors - how can we help?" thread on Dulwich forum?

Underhill Rd has been awful ever since the LTNs nightmare introduction. For years it's been my to-and-from-work walking route - no more. I don't drive and I don't cycle but I walk a lot; ever since this failed scheme was put in place many roads I used to walk have become so full of traffic and pollution I can hardly walk there anymore. Has anyone heard any news about the legal challenge against Ealing & other councils re: the LTNs ?

How on earth they can be pushing ahead with the phase 2 is simply beyond me. As First Mate pointed out - pure Trumpism. Rockets Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Update from OneDulwich tonight. > > > Our councillors tell us that Phase 2 > (camera-controlled restrictions on Dulwich > Village, Turney Road, Burbage Road and Townley > Road) will be going live in the week beginning 16 > November. Local residents will be receiving > letters alerting them to the changes. > > The Experimental Traffic Order that closed Calton > Avenue and Court Lane to motorised traffic will be > reviewed after six months. Formal objections must > be lodged with the Council before Christmas. We > believe there are good reasons why the Council?s > actions can be challenged, and will send out > information shortly about how and when to make > objections. > > In the meantime, One Dulwich is working with a > network of different groups across Dulwich, all > asking the Council to modify the current traffic > orders. Please get in touch via our main email hub > onedulwich@gmail.com if your group would like to > join this initiative. > > Finally, we now have more than 1700 supporters. > Please remember that anyone over 18 can register ? > you?re not limited to one per household. The more > of us there are, the more we can make our voices > heard.

heartblock Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Time for a socially distanced demo? I'm all for it.

An elderly lady with dementia has been missing form her home in Penge - it's been a couple of days now - they've been using a helicopter to try to locate her. It could be that.

A letter from a frustrated resident: https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/these-ltns-are-creating-an-unwanted-two-tier-borough The question at the end: "So who is gaining from this in Croydon council?" has also crossed my mind - who is gaining from this in Southwark council.

Signed & shared.

legalalien Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It says it?s live-streaming on YouTube > > Venue: Online. This meeting will be livestreamed > on Southwark Council's YouTube channel here: > https://www.youtube.com/user/southwarkcouncil. > > Not sure if I?ll tune in to this. Only started > reading up about this stuff very recently - and I > don?t think it?s good for my blood pressure... is > anyone else tuning in / participating eg in > support of the petition? Oh ok - thanks. Good point re: the blood pressure;) I wonder if they are planning any Q&A session with residents at all during that meeting.

Is anyone from here going to attend the cabinet meeting on Tuesday? Rockets? Legalalien?

JohnL Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ab29 Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Oh great - more people to be treated like > second > > class residents by the council. If anything > good > > is to come out of it is that the Labour will > lose > > hold over Southwark - or at leas will have to > > share - after the next general election. > > You mean local elections I think :) Oops yes - just corrected it:) Truly p****d off today ;)

Oh great - more people to be treated like second class residents by the council. If anything good is to come out of it is that the Labour will lose hold over Southwark - or at least will have to share - after the next local election.

heartblock Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Time to re-think this ridiculous polluting and > dangerous ?experiment?. Hear, hear!

More people use cars because of pandemic - I don't see this changing anytime soon - on the contrary. LTN has made it a hundred times worse.

I live in the area and the traffic has been pretty much like this ever since the shambolic LTN scheme was put in place. It is like a rush hour all day long.

Agree with everything Rockets has written.

I think it is all connected and you don't have to live locally to be affected by LTNs. If I work in Lewisham and my bus journey there is taking five times as long now because of the road closures the Lewisham council introduced then I'm affected (over 10 000 people signed a petition against the LTN scheme in Lewisham BTW).

Spartacus Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > So that will result in Upland Road being blocked > off , traffic then diverting down Underhill Road > which will then be blocked off and traffic > diverting down Goodrich Road .... > > Before we know it every side road in Dulwich will > either be clogged with traffic or blocked off. > > Did Grant Shapps say that he would intervene if > councils abuse the scheme and introduce > restrictions without consultation ? > > If so how can we get him involved to pause and > review what Southwark Council are doing ? Good idea re: contacting Grant Shapps. Everyone can email him individually but not sure if he/his office is going to reply. Perhaps OneDulwich could lead on that?

Dogkennelhillbilly Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ", it?s why 2200 people have signed the e-petition > on the council?s website" > > ...because a bunch of cabbies on Twitter who hate > Sadiq Khan and speed bumps have signed up to it. > They couldn't give a stuff about air pollution or > the quality of Dulwich residents' lives. Oh dear. I don't drive - I don't even have a driving licence. I signed the petition because I don't think it is fair to treat people living on the roads that take the extra traffic with more noise and pollution while very few actually benefit from this scheme.