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Someone form the Labour party has been just commenting on the radio on the lost by-election in Hartlepool He said 'We talk to ourselves too much' and need to start talking and listening to constituents instead. One would hope the Dulwich Labour councillors take notice of that.

'The creation of some quieter streets does provide a carrot to those who would otherwise avoid walking and cycling and just get in the car' - it doesn't work like this and also, people do not stop driving simply because a few roads have been closed. I used to walk to my work place 2 hrs one way - and nobody had to close any roads for this to happen. I waited for a bus near Dulwich Station recently - a few people were jogging on LL while the entry to Melbourne Grove showed a deserted street. To close a few roads so someone can walk or cycle for 15 min per day while at the same time others have to live with the consequences seven day per week is beyond selfish.

Everyone is being impacted by these closures yet only a very small group is benefiting. The scheme mostly benefits wealthy streets to the detriment of the poorest roads, which now have to deal with more traffic and in consequence increased levels of noise and pollution. LTN seems like a private vanity project - the only intention of the pro-closures groups seem to be reducing traffic outside their own homes without thinking what happens to everyone else. It does not help to lower pollution - in fact, idling traffic creates more. Public transport needs to be improved in the area to start with - what has been done in the recent years? Nothing, on the contrary e.g. bus nr 40 was redirected from London Bridge to Blackfriars (utterly useless). Nr 40 was used by many people working at Guy's hospital, useful later at night (no need to change at Elephant&Castle)or when trains were not running (often). What are the plans to improve the said public transport? No one knows. How anyone can be so without even basic empathy to understand how the so-called LTNs are negatively impacting people is beyond me.

I don't drive - I don't own a car. I walk where I can, although less so recently as the displaced traffic is now crammed into many of my usual walking routs e.g. Underhill Rd. I live on Lordship Lane - have done so for a few years. Since the road closures have been introduced the traffic has been much worse and so has the air pollution and noise. Closing roads benefits a handful of people who live on those roads and perhaps a few cyclists who use them for 15 minutes every day - others have to put up with the consequences of the so-called LTNs seven days a week. Try to get off your high horse and put yourself into other peoples' shoes - if you are capable of doing so that is.

@ Walkintall, Poppy2017, Wilson: please make sure you register to have a say in the May consultation: www.southwark.gov.uk/dulwichreviewreg. Also, Dulwich Alliance has organised a fundraiser to fight the road closures in Dulwich: https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-end-road-closures-in-dulwich Blocked roads should be reopened.

How utterly detached from a real world he and other Dulwich labour councillors are. Thousands of residents have to live with consequences of the road closures 24/7 and yet these people don't give a damn.

PS. And have you noticed - she was driving around IN A CAR. Doesn't live in the area and yet bores everyone to death with tiresome comments and dare to lecture people affected by LTNs - and then drives around Dulwich in a car, adding to the air pollution.

Agree with you Penguin - I live nearby and Underhill Rd has been my walking route for years - much busier ever since the road closures were put in place.

For anyone who hasn't seen this - Dulwich Alliance is raising money to fight the permanent road closures: www.gofundme.com/f/help-end-road-closures-in-dulwich

Cases against councils are possible - a coroner has called for national pollution limits to be reduced following the death of Ella Adoo-Kissi-Debrah. In the meantime, Southwark council has increased the air pollution tenfold on LL and many other roads by introducing the LTNs. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56801794

CPR Dave, you should also register with One Dulwich - lots of people got together to fight roads closures in Dulwich. https://www.onedulwich.uk/

I agree of course - it's been much worst since the road closures were introduced, with a short calmer period around Christmas. Last weekend was a complete nightmare with stationary traffic most of the day on LL. Dulwich labour councillors seem to be living in some sort of parallel universe - they don't listen to the residents' concerns and they simply don't care. PS. Did you actually mean to title this thread 'Traffic NOT calming in and around Dulwich'?

This is not true - I have found out about the consultation from this forum and from One Dulwich emails. I live on LL and neither I nor my neighbours received any communication - no leaflets, no email, no text message (as it doesn't have to be a paper version). redpost Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > LTN's and the consultation process have been all > over the TV news, print news, leaflets, shop > windows, internets etc for the past year > > Just to make sure everyone is aware of the > process, perhaps southwark should pay for a > gorillagram to personally deliver the leaflet to > every household in south London? > > Of course, you would then be the first to moan > about the cost of consultation > > > Rockets Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > They have to do a better job of communicating > with > > everyone on this. We are all aware of the > review > > but many people have no clue it is going on and > so > > will not have an opportunity to give their > input. > > I suspect the council is more than happy with > this > > as they know this is going to become a numbers > > game and if the weight of public opinion is > > against them then it becomes more and more > > difficult to justify. > > > > It's clear that everyone who lives on one of > the > > roads on the pulldown menus (but remember the > > fight many of us had to put up to have our > roads > > added) should also receive the leaflet as a > matter > > of course.

Is there really no way of stopping this madness? Not a single person in the Southwark council who can see how much harm they have done and continue doing?

Excellent idea. Will definitely be a good riddance :) Chick Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Maybe send them to a gulag in Siberia.

This doesn't make any sense - ok so I'm going to ask everyone I know to take part in the consultations, even if they've never been in Dulwich! Abe_froeman Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Well they are communicating it in their own way. > For instance, Richard Lemming retweeted this lobby > group's tweet encouraging people simply passing > through the area to participate in the survey: > https://twitter.com/southwarkcycle/status/13740114 > 17607671815

Fines should be introduced - make them pay ?1000 and I'm sure next time they will remember to take their rubbish with them. I would also add a few months of a community service. spacehopper Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > If any of the Littering B@@@@@@ds that can't be > bothered to clear up after they've enjoyed > themselves on the Rye are reading this....PLEASE > take your rubbish home with you - leaving it on > the ground "near" the bins is NOT GOOD ENOUGH you > filthy individuals..

Same here - have not received any leaflets and neither of my neighbours have. heartblock Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > No leaflet..no consultation....still waiting.

I do not want more cycling lanes n Dulwich - pavements are being halved and space taken from bus lanes to create something that is empty 90% of the time.

snowy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Unless suggesting voting for Bailey is an April > Fool? It seems as he has been commenting on LTNs so definitely a candidate to consider: "The Conservative candidate for the London Mayor has become the latest voice to weigh in on Crystal Palace?s traffic furore, pledging a temporary ban on the low traffic networks (LTNs) which have drawn outrage and fury in London?s south-east if elected."

Well, I must say I rather like the idea - would extend it to an entire LL though, from Goose Green all the way to Wood Vale :)

Rockets, my thoughts exactly. Close roads so rahrahrah can walk for 15 min every day while hundreds of others have to put up with the extra traffic 24/7 - how is that fair?

And what about everyone else - people living on Lordship Lane for instance, like me - why do you think it is ok to treat me and my family like second class citizens? Why do you think it is ok for me and my family to put up with more noise and more air pollution? Because you are not affected then everything is ok - right? This complete lack of empathy and the ability to put yourself in someone else's shoes - it is what is really so very sad on this thread here. DulwichCentral Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Otto I agree - what I see is loads more kids > cycling to school, even really tiny children, and > people cycling through the area - a real mix of > people all ages shapes and sizes. It's the same in > central London. On the Mall the other day I saw a > group all with toddlers on their bikes singing and > the toddlers were laughing. Every bike lane was > full of people on bikes - bike traffic jams at the > lights! It's great :)

I would not be surprised at all if cyclists are riding back and forth to make an impression that there are plenty of them. This whole LTN idea is so utterly stupid that it is beyond comprehension - a handful of people who live on roads such as Calton Av benefit from it and thousands are being punished. Southwark council has completely lost touch with their constituents, pandering to a small group of (predominantly) middle age males obsessed with cycling who think(as always) they can dictated how everyone else should live. What is it that the council get out of it - money? Other forms of support? I'm so fed up that I will vote anyone who promises to remove this atrocious scheme - even f it its a Tory.

This forum is for residents of Dulwich and this specific thread for people from Goose Green area - you live in neither. malumbu Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I was asking Heartbeat about his students and why > they felt victimised. Not your views on Southwark > and the LTN Rocks. I think I know these already. > > > Anyway Heartbeat, back to my question about > victimisation.