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The arrogance of people who have no idea what it means to live on a main road and how this has worsened post LTN and yet they feel entitled to question others experience - unparalelled.

Yes, it is rather scary how this has become some sort of quasi-religion for some and how an ordinary person is completely overlooked in all of this pro-LTN self-righteousness..

They should also redirect nr 40 back to London Bridge, as it was before.

Very accurate observations in the article by Paul Wheeler written back in February(someone posted it here once I think). https://www.onlondon.co.uk/paul-wheeler-why-londons-road-wars-are-tearing-labour-apart/

"if you block a stream in one place, it will find the next easiest way" - precisely: you close a road and the traffic will go through the next available one. The only thing that this scheme has achieved so far is that it has made lives of thousands of people on the boundary roads much worst and has divided the community in a way that even Brexit didn't.

Sure - who cares about people when you have Labour-made, magical data showing fall in traffic while at the same time buses are stuck in said traffic for much longer now.

In fact, this is one of the most disturbing aspects of it all - that some people are perfectly happy to sacrifice others' health and wellbeing in the name of some sort of idee fixe.

Lordship Lane did not see fall in traffic. Unless you have lived on LL long enough to be able to compare the before and after, you are indulging in fantasy while in reality people have to put up with consequences of this ridiculous experiment. Go to LL, knock on peoples doors, ask in the shops - you will see what people really think, northernmonkey Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > With the exception of East Dulwich Grove all those > streets saw falls in traffic post LTN. > > The East Dulwich Grove data needs more work and > more monitoring as have seen analysis showing that > its possible that the amount of traffic between MG > and Townley actually fell since the last > monitoring. More detailed monitoring needed on > EDG to understand what is happening. > > > > heartblock Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Healthy streets as dictated by LCC and a few > key > > stakeholders.. but not residents of Croxted, > Vale, > > Grove or Lane.. but you know, if you are in you > > are in....and if you are not in the 'in crowd' > > then you deserve traffic and > pollution...meanwhile > > let's sell of any Council Housing in 'posh' > areas > > and build on the green spaces on those poorer > > estates.....

Good point Penguin, although with this level of overzealousness - which usually means the reason has already departed - you are unlikely to get a sensible reply... Penguin68 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > We should probably ignore the contribution local > car journeys make to the climate crisis as they?re > not the *only* contributor. > > No no, we must focus only on the use of private > vehicles locally, solve that and climate change is > history. > > Driving polluting vehicles is the single biggest > cause, contributing to around half of the air > pollution in London > > And of course we all know that it is private > vehicles (which must all now meet the ULEZ, or at > least in autumn) driving locally which are the > aforesaid polluting vehicles, not the vast number > of commercial diesel vehicles, including still a > very significant part of the bus fleet.

So all those pro-LTNs supporters turn out to be one person, trying to make an impression there is an army out there ;)

Or one and the same person? ;) Bicknell Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ltnBooHoo > ohthehugemanateeLTN > > i think their related

So what happens now? The consultation is finished - are we waiting for the council to publish the results? Or perhaps they have no intention of doing so?

I live on LL, the traffic has been much, much much worst after the LTNs were introduced, I do not own the car, I walk pretty much everywhere. Unless you've lived on one of the main roads long enough to compare the before and after the LTNs you really have no idea what you are talking about.

Well said Artemis and very politely too; agree 100%. Rockets, how about becoming our councillor ;)

"traffic doesn't evaporate it moves to another street" - exactly that; repeated about a million times here and still does not sink in with some. I would start from restricting car ownership to one per household (with some valid exceptions)- I'm pretty sure it would make a difference right away.

Agree. No one ever asked me if I want my money wasted on introducing this dubious experiment to start with. alice Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The relative clean up costs are irrelevant. > Dulwich LTNs are unfair, unjust and will be > removed.

It really infuriates me - this omnipresent dictate of 'data'! People who have no idea about others experience feel entitled to reprimand them from the depths of their armchairs - because of 'data'! How about we start listen to people and their experience for a change.

I am not wrong - please speak for yourself. I'm close to Grove Tavern; the traffc has been much worst since the introduction of the so-called LTNs, with exception of half-terms and other holidays. As I said, I am happy to meet and/or organise a meeting with people in the area to discuss / get opinions.

@NorthernMonkey: but I live on Lordship Lane - I have been in my current place for about seven years. I have all the data I need - before the LTNs and after (windows in my flat through which I can see and hear the traffic; and my own eyes & ears(obviously)). Do you live on Lordship Lane, Croxted Road, East Dulwich Grove, Underhill Road, Melford Road? As I said before, I am happy to meet in person; happy to organise a meeting with people in the area (in case you thought I am biased), if you really want to know what the residents of Lordship Lane really think about the road closures.

NorthernMonkey: as I said before - you clearly live in a parallel universe; - you are welcome to come to my place to see what coping with the road closures introduced by the Southwark Council really means. Lol. Many of my friends cycle and I cycle too (although not in London). I have never owned a car - I do not even have a driving licence. Although, with what the Southwark Council has done (=LTN), I am very close to say " to hell with it all" and start driving - and believe me, many other people are too. And this question still stands: what is a plan for the "meantime', while we await these "everywhere walking & cycling spaces"? Gassing people that happen to live on LL, Croxted, EDG etc to death with extra car fumes? Ghandi said that "The measure of a civilization is how it treats its weakest members.? - well, this certainly is not the Southwark council policy.

And what is a plan for the "meantime', while we await these "everywhere walking spaces"?(I do not mention cyclists as I truly despise them because of the LTNS) - gassing people that happen to live on LL, Croxted, EDG etc to death with extra car fumes?

NorthernMonkey. WHERE exactly do you want these 'safe routes for walking...' to be created? This is zone 3 in central London and space is rather limited. I work at GSTT and I used to walk to the hospital - 2 hrs one way roughly so 4 hrs walking per day - no roads had to be closed for me to do so. I worked from home today (7-3 and I spent most of the day in my bathroom because of the noise (meetings) - the traffic has been much, much worst ever since the so-called "LTNs" were introduced; although; it's ben a little bit better recently because of the summer holiday (Thursday and weekends are hell though). You clearly live in a parallel universe - you are welcome to come to my place to see what coping with the road closures really means.

Have been a swing voter all my life; voted Labour in the past but will never do so again after this failed LTN experiment. Most of my neighbours contacted the local councillors about the road closures - Andy Simmons and Catherine Rose - and also the MP Helen Hayes. Majority have received no reply from any of them. If the consultation doesn't change anything, I sincerely hope the councillors responsible for introducing LTNs will be voted out in May. High time to change the one-party state situation in the council.

What does the whether has do with it? People behaving like described above are hooligans, not fans.

Except these people are hooligans, not fans.