ab29

I am from a minority group and as I said I do not feel offended by the slogan . I would rather see a real action on the b****y LTNs instead of a futile discussions about slogans.

I do not see this slogan as offensive - I see LTNs as offensive (damaging) to many people of various backgrounds and yet somehow many of you here failed to acknowledge / understand it. northernmonkey Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Feel free to keep standing by the slogan if you > like. Alternatively accept it was ill judged and > wrong and hope that the replacement poster is less > offensive?

ED girl I disagree - I see this as a smokescreen. So-called LTNs and its consequences its a problem here, not the slogan. Why have I not seen you saying 'Oh, poor people living on Lordship Lane, how awful it must be for them yo live with this additional air pollution and noise'?

So-called LTNs and its consequences is a problem here not a slogan which a totally agree with - all streets do matter (only wish the Dulwich labour councillors understood this). It's a smokescreen. northernmonkey Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > You know that just cos someone else used it it > doesn't make it ok right? > > Is it ok to leave up posters with slogans from far > right racist groups as long as 'new ones are > coming'? > > I don't doubt that many people 'didn't think' > about it but now its been pointed out its > interesting how Dulwich Alliance have dealt with > it (ie they haven't really!)

I have no problem with the slogan 'All streets matter' - they do. Some people are trying to create problems where there are none.

The scheme has been in place for almost a year and made absolutely no difference - I see it from my windows every day. The summer in particular was hell as had to open the windows; this one looks to be even worst as people are going crazy after the lockdown. So how much longer do you think I should be in this situation DC for you to decde it is a success or a failure? Is another year acceptable according to you? Or 2? 3? I work in a nearby hospital - does this rise my stakes and cut the sentence? You may want me around if there is another wave of covid.

And yet you are happy for others to suffer. This overzealousness is scary. DulwichCentral Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ab29 Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > I don't own a car and have never done so. Going > > back to my question Dulwich Central - would you > > like the displacement traffic to sit in front > of > > your home all day long? It is a simple yes or > no > > question. > > No. Which is why I support LTNs and any measures > to reduce unnecessary car journeys.

I don't own a car and have never done so. Going back to my question Dulwich Central - would you like the displacement traffic to sit in front of your home all day long? It is a simple yes or no question.

Raenurn, SE22 at al - would you like all this traffic to sit in front of your homes? Would you then bo oh so philosophical about it? You are simply happy with sacrifising peoples' health (both physical and mental) in the name of a very dubious experiment - it is wrong.

Since the air quality should be made better for everyone, I want to know how is the council planning to improve it on the roads such as LL, Croxted Rd, EDG? Some of these roads are A roads which doesn't change the fact they are also very densely populated residential roads. So while we wait for people to stop using their cars, which might never happen, the council is happy to let the buggers living on these roads to choke on the extra fumes and die of lung cancer 10 years earlier - because who cares? Certainly not the Labour councillors and by the look of things, many on this forum agree with it.

Interesting; although must admit I trust The Guardian less after their biased and one sided reporting on LTNs first mate Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/may/0 > 7/fireplaces-and-stoves-are-bigger-polluters-than- > traffic > > Saw this. Wonder what stats are like in Southwark?

Someone form the Labour party has been just commenting on the radio on the lost by-election in Hartlepool He said 'We talk to ourselves too much' and need to start talking and listening to constituents instead. One would hope the Dulwich Labour councillors take notice of that.

'The creation of some quieter streets does provide a carrot to those who would otherwise avoid walking and cycling and just get in the car' - it doesn't work like this and also, people do not stop driving simply because a few roads have been closed. I used to walk to my work place 2 hrs one way - and nobody had to close any roads for this to happen. I waited for a bus near Dulwich Station recently - a few people were jogging on LL while the entry to Melbourne Grove showed a deserted street. To close a few roads so someone can walk or cycle for 15 min per day while at the same time others have to live with the consequences seven day per week is beyond selfish.

Everyone is being impacted by these closures yet only a very small group is benefiting. The scheme mostly benefits wealthy streets to the detriment of the poorest roads, which now have to deal with more traffic and in consequence increased levels of noise and pollution. LTN seems like a private vanity project - the only intention of the pro-closures groups seem to be reducing traffic outside their own homes without thinking what happens to everyone else. It does not help to lower pollution - in fact, idling traffic creates more. Public transport needs to be improved in the area to start with - what has been done in the recent years? Nothing, on the contrary e.g. bus nr 40 was redirected from London Bridge to Blackfriars (utterly useless). Nr 40 was used by many people working at Guy's hospital, useful later at night (no need to change at Elephant&Castle)or when trains were not running (often). What are the plans to improve the said public transport? No one knows. How anyone can be so without even basic empathy to understand how the so-called LTNs are negatively impacting people is beyond me.

I don't drive - I don't own a car. I walk where I can, although less so recently as the displaced traffic is now crammed into many of my usual walking routs e.g. Underhill Rd. I live on Lordship Lane - have done so for a few years. Since the road closures have been introduced the traffic has been much worse and so has the air pollution and noise. Closing roads benefits a handful of people who live on those roads and perhaps a few cyclists who use them for 15 minutes every day - others have to put up with the consequences of the so-called LTNs seven days a week. Try to get off your high horse and put yourself into other peoples' shoes - if you are capable of doing so that is.

@ Walkintall, Poppy2017, Wilson: please make sure you register to have a say in the May consultation: www.southwark.gov.uk/dulwichreviewreg. Also, Dulwich Alliance has organised a fundraiser to fight the road closures in Dulwich: https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-end-road-closures-in-dulwich Blocked roads should be reopened.

How utterly detached from a real world he and other Dulwich labour councillors are. Thousands of residents have to live with consequences of the road closures 24/7 and yet these people don't give a damn.

PS. And have you noticed - she was driving around IN A CAR. Doesn't live in the area and yet bores everyone to death with tiresome comments and dare to lecture people affected by LTNs - and then drives around Dulwich in a car, adding to the air pollution.

Agree with you Penguin - I live nearby and Underhill Rd has been my walking route for years - much busier ever since the road closures were put in place.

For anyone who hasn't seen this - Dulwich Alliance is raising money to fight the permanent road closures: www.gofundme.com/f/help-end-road-closures-in-dulwich

Cases against councils are possible - a coroner has called for national pollution limits to be reduced following the death of Ella Adoo-Kissi-Debrah. In the meantime, Southwark council has increased the air pollution tenfold on LL and many other roads by introducing the LTNs. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56801794

CPR Dave, you should also register with One Dulwich - lots of people got together to fight roads closures in Dulwich. https://www.onedulwich.uk/

I agree of course - it's been much worst since the road closures were introduced, with a short calmer period around Christmas. Last weekend was a complete nightmare with stationary traffic most of the day on LL. Dulwich labour councillors seem to be living in some sort of parallel universe - they don't listen to the residents' concerns and they simply don't care. PS. Did you actually mean to title this thread 'Traffic NOT calming in and around Dulwich'?

This is not true - I have found out about the consultation from this forum and from One Dulwich emails. I live on LL and neither I nor my neighbours received any communication - no leaflets, no email, no text message (as it doesn't have to be a paper version). redpost Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > LTN's and the consultation process have been all > over the TV news, print news, leaflets, shop > windows, internets etc for the past year > > Just to make sure everyone is aware of the > process, perhaps southwark should pay for a > gorillagram to personally deliver the leaflet to > every household in south London? > > Of course, you would then be the first to moan > about the cost of consultation > > > Rockets Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > They have to do a better job of communicating > with > > everyone on this. We are all aware of the > review > > but many people have no clue it is going on and > so > > will not have an opportunity to give their > input. > > I suspect the council is more than happy with > this > > as they know this is going to become a numbers > > game and if the weight of public opinion is > > against them then it becomes more and more > > difficult to justify. > > > > It's clear that everyone who lives on one of > the > > roads on the pulldown menus (but remember the > > fight many of us had to put up to have our > roads > > added) should also receive the leaflet as a > matter > > of course.

Is there really no way of stopping this madness? Not a single person in the Southwark council who can see how much harm they have done and continue doing?