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matthew123 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Yup half their songs are about Liverpool - and the > other half they've stolen from Liverpool... I noticed this the other day when I watched them. They are literally obsessed with us. Have fun in Madrid yous that are going..jealous over that..will be special in the Bernebeu. That Micheal Thomas game I can still remember that second of silence everywhere in the ground whilst seeing them go mad in the far corner....was a weird sensation almost as if the sound took longer to come out than the movement...like "deafening silence" in action.

Atila Reincarnate Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Barca would kill Liverpool over 2 legs, especially > with a conservative style of play. If you sit back > and invite them to come at you for 90 miniutes > they will run you into the ground. Just like last time eh? There is a reason that Liverpool are seeded high in the Champions League and above Barcelone. It's cos actually, they are really quite good in European two leg ties.

I think you will find that rental prices are generally an indicator of what people can afford to pay, and also an indicator of supply and demand. ie a fairly true marketplace. The prices aren't dictated by the landlords, it is tenant salary that dictates the price. Rents will drop when take-home pay generally drops, irrespective of interest rates. This year I am sure you will find it is better to rent. In financial terms only, rent is best in a falling or flat market, and buying is best in a rising market.

pearcesa Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I somehow can't believe that ALL one bedroom flats > that were originally marketed at ?230k around a > year ago, are now worth ?170k, as clearly that is > more than the average % that property has supposed > to have fallen over the past year or so, as this > is more than a 25% drop!!!! Either the property > was severely overpriced when first marketed or the > owner must be desperate to sell it now. > > We've all seen the mass media headlines screaming > about the dire % drop in house prices over the > past year, but somehow I don't see it being over > 25% in one year, maybe 25% in 18 months or so but > this kind of scare-mongering is not going to do > any of us any good when we've just entered a > recession! Why is it scare-mongering? They have provided data to back up their point. You have provided your opinion only. Obviously every house is different, and certain circumstances will mean bigger drops for some. I've seen the data for flats being sold at 70% less than peak already (albeit in other areas of the country) - just because "you don't see it" doesn't mean it isn't happening.

Kingsbury David Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Just for the picture over the river, our house > prices have not dropped. Not a pound or Euro. Not > in the cheaper areas or the posh ones. Our > newspaper ads still plug 3 bed semis in grey > suburbs for ?330,000 just the same as at the peak, > so presumably some remote places have dropped a > lot to change the average but not anywhere > popular. I presume Dulwich is the same although > when I was looking 15 years ago I found it to be > the best value area of all so probably relatively > still is. If you drive a few miles to Blackheath > it's back to the maximum but I looked all over > London and only ended up back here as Putney > proved just beyond my means after losing a > property at the last minute there. Blackheath > however was way off the radar. > > With all the tricks the government are pulling > (sorry, the bank of England is independent isn't > it) they are stringing the boom out endlessly by > artificially lowering interest payments (that > can't last 25 years can it?) and shovelling our > cash to mortgage firms supposedly to lend to > buyers but being spent on bonuses. The conditions > that fuelled the credit/debt mountain are now > being increased to deepen the hole even further, > which explains why there has been no price > correction north of the river at least. Newspaper ads are just ads. Just because they don't appear to drop their price, doesn't mean that actual selling prices aren't dropping. You highlight how people can easily be misled by sales techniques. Similarly, how can they not have dropped in Euro terms when the Euro is so much stronger than last year?! That is nonsense. Every index points that actual sale prices are dropping and have dropped for high end, low end, popular, rough, north, south, houses, flats etc

mockney piers Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > No mention of Le Tissier?!?! > One of my favourite players...So good should have had the England team built around him. Any other European side would have. We had David Batty instead. It is like he was living our dream, ambling onto the pitch just playing for fun, a bit heavy not looking too professional, and then scoring a 30 yarder.

matthew123 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Surely everyone agrees that Thierry Henry and Alan > Shearer are the two greatest strikers since the > start of the Premiership - I challenge anyone to > say otherwise!? > > I know everyone has their own favourite players > from usually their own team, so I'll keep this > neutral and say which of the "great" United > players would get into the Arsenal Invincibles? > I'd hazard a guess and say that great team would > contain more Arsenal than United. Neither Henry or Shearer had the same impact as Eric Cantona Utd pre Cantona and post Cantona are two different clubs.

matthew123 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Gerrard is the greatest midfielder in the history > of the Premiership and would walk into any of the > great Liverpool teams from history. Of course he > will be missed as a player, he is probably the 2nd > best player in the world after Lionel Messi - but > Liverpool have also played very well as a team > when he has been absent. Who will ever forget that > balmy night in Turin when Gerrard was suspended > and Liverpool outplayed the Italian Champions > Juventus in their own backyard in 2005. I'm a Liverpool supporter, but you can't have a greatest midfielder in the history of the premiership from a team that hasn't won it. Keane, Giggs, Scholes, Beckham, Viera, Petit, Lampard, Pires have all arguably had more impact in the premiership alone.

Just always choose the big style trolley. They are free.

So even with this one, what is the third game?

matthew123 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > There was a 2-1 home defeat to a Kanchelskis > second half double at the Kop end around 95/96 > > Yes the Beardsley Everton winner was at Woodison > Park in a night match - around 94. Saturday avo no?

Keef Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I know, sorry, but hopefully I'll be wrong. > > As for Liverpol v Everton at Anfield on Monday > night, Liverpool have an abysmal record against > Everton in these rare night time Anfield derbies, > losing the last 3 times, stretching over 21 years. > > > I was at one of these, almost exaclt 10 years ago, > Wednesday 14th Jan 1999. > > Lost 0-1, and 3 players sent off (Jeffers & > Westerweld in the same incident, and Gerrard very > late on if memory serves). Bit naff, but good > atmosphere! I can remember this one, but I can't remember getting beaten at Anfield in other night time matches. I can remember one Monday night game in the 90s where Wright scored a header first, but later Bearsley scored the winner for them after the first shot got blocked, but I think that was at Woodison? In fact I am pretty sure it was. Can't think of being beaten at Anfield in the evening at all? Can someone help me out?? The game where Crouch slid the opener and Cisse scored the third was in the evening..Goodison though. The second replay after the 4-4 was a night game but Goodison again.

Sandperson Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Ha, ha. More Liverpool conspiracy theories. It's > looking more and more like Benitez isn't the only > one who can't take the pressure. Just asking a question. In fact I can't recall any of Bruce's sides ever even getting a point. Just asking about facts. Regarding Rafa's "rant". His little smile half way through showed he was totally doing it for sport. Hardly a Keegan losing it. And for Meester Ferguson, he hardly has "won" mind games in the past anyway. Wenger got under his nose and made him lose it one year, and Mourinho outdid him on many occasion. To rattle Keegan was hardly difficult....he could often do that of his own accord...see what happened when he was England manager. So this talk of him being some sort of mind gaming genius is way off the mark. If anything, his continuing petulance in not giving interviews to those who have ever written anything negative towards him, shows he is still the belligerent old classless thunderous nob he has always been. He may be a great manager, but he has always shown to be quick to lose control of his temper etc. Just ask Beckham, Stam, reporters etc. I'd rather have Rafa any day of the week, even if we don't win as much. I would quite easily be able to have a drink with Rafa and a nice conversation. Same even with Mourinho and Wenger. There is a warmth to all of them, it looks like they can "play the game". I can tell that Whiskeynose would get on my nerves in 10 mins flat.

Annasfield Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Jamie Carragher "Should have listened to Rafa and > gone zonal" >:D > How Rooney didn't get a booking there I will never > know. Come on Chelsea. Carra is brill. If that was a Liverpool defensive error Monkeyhands would have banged on about zonal marking for a good ten minutes. Rooney above the "respect" campaign. What a surprise. A 30 yard dash in full fury and a blatant curse at the linesman..nothing done. "Fact" In all what a depressing weekend. The worst performance by Liverpool of the season. We miss an on form Alonso. Rafa still frustrates me at times the stubborn legend. At no point during the game did we look threatening, yet he still plays with the two defensive midfielders. In a long time we havent changed a system mid game to try to create something different. Previously when we did we won the game (albeit often against 10 men). I would take 2 wins and 3 losses over 5 draws. So many players ineffectual against the lumps that are Stoke. Still, we will see. Derby is now massive. Wigan could do us a favour, but Bruce will no doubt rollover for them again. I wonder has any ex Utd player ever beaten Utd whilst managing??

ruffers Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Double 8's next to double 16 if you go in the fat > bit. > > The other advantage is you can go double 8 4 2 1 > if you reeally need to, if you're my standard. > Others eg double 18 you end up with double 9 if > you miss, miss that and then it's odd numbers and > extra darts. > > Just for fun, Sid said... > http://www.xlab.co.uk/extras/quotes/?source=waddel > l Down to double one...aka going mad, or in the madhouse. See also shanghai, breakfast etc.

Further to my earlier post, went there last night and thought it was much improved. Food was great, music was at a sensible level, lights were nicely a bit lower and it felt much cosier. Staff were friendly and the bill was correct.

macroban Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > New Land Registry figures. Good link that. Interesting that a large part of the London boroughs' falls seem to be in the last month alone...many boroughs -2% in the month of November alone. This means that London is tipping now and the relatively small yearly drop can be explained by holding up of prices late last year. For example Southwark fell 3.1% in the month alone with only 5.7% in the year. Have a house for sale at the moment? Then realistically you have to drop it 3% a month just to keep it at a current price, nevermind making it an attractive offer by reducing it more.

Embrace the arrers. You'll never look back. A true sport. You'll be able to go back to back with the BDO next week. Let's.......play......darts!!!!!

I suspect there are still some people fighting the war in Vietnam too.

Wot he said ^ Nobody minds a fair system, it is when people abuse/work the system to the detriment of others that is the problem. In addition, the system itself needs a few changes. These stories of housing benefit of 90k a year highlight some of the problems. There needs to be a balance between providing assistance to those that need it, whilst also providing incentive to work and the subsequent "freeing up" of social accommodation. Nobody should be better off not working than working. That's just not fair. I am sure you "do your bit" etc CWALD, but the justification given regarding your "right" because your father and grandfather were activists is a little obtuse. Wouldn't their "fight" have been for those that need it most?

Interesting Champ League matches. To be honest, any team can beat any other so it doesnt make that much difference. Saying that though, I'm glad that ManU havent got their usual Sporting Lisbon or the like. Villa and Spurs are going to get cold.

Made me laugh someone writing a post about how boring it is to talk about how real a supporter you are, only to then write about how real the support of a whole area. The family histories are getting a bit vizesque too... Following in the footsteps of my great grandad who invented Everton FC, I was born actually on the Gladys Street End, during a dull second half against Man City. Stranded as a baby I was raised by a family of training footballs, or "casies" as they were known then, and as such I have travelled to every home and away match in the Everton kitbag since 1923. Every single family member including second cousins has played for Everton and my real father is Dixie Dean. I however support Liverpool.

When things get dull and repetitive after the initial honeymoon period it's always the other person's fault.