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And by the way, what are you all doing posting on the forum at this time of the day? I sincerely hope you're not all 'shirkers' rather than workers and 'skivers' instead of strivers, as the coalition would poetically have it, having made tens of thousands unemployed due to their 'austerity' measures and then demonising them. (Starts chewing carpet...)

Indeed they are, LondonMix - it's back to the factory gates in the Thirties where workers had to congregate every morning in the hope of being thrown some work. Even the House of Lords advertised for a zero-hours contract for their Hansard recently (you couldn't make it up) - and it was advertised of all places on the Guardian website! (I've told them to stop colluding, the little hypocrites). And don't get me started on 'interns' aka slave labour...

Don't get me started on zero-hour contracts! By the way folks - in case you missed my bbc link above (Sue didn't!) Lewisham hospital casualty and maternity services have been saved and that vile excuse of a human being health secretary Jeremy Hunt's proposed cuts deemed unlawful! People power with the courts on our side for once!

Meanwhile, back at the ranch... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-23518732

Londonmix said: "The UK on the other hand, in the same period shrunk 5%, and by the end of next year is projected to be where it was in 2008 in nominal terms." mwa-ha ha ha ha ha ha....

Brand New Guy said: "Huge debt, relentlessly increasing oil prices, a burst bubble and an international financial crisis are the main factors. Yes, the bankers wsere greedy and reckless. Yes, the banks shouldn't have been bailed out quite so straightforwardly, but the reasons for financial and fiscal disaster were already in place." What you are describing initially was the start of the banking crisis. It's only when we bailed out the bankrupt banks that it became a sovereign debt crisis, resulting in austerity measures for the rest of us. We should have done what Iceland did: stick two fingers up at the bust banks that caused their own crisis with the sub-prime fiasco and jailed complicit politicians and bankers. Iceland did "everything the International Monetary Fund (IMF) or the global economic establishment thinks you should never do", according to Allister Heath, editor of business daily City A.M., when "it allowed banks to go bust, it defaulted on its debt, it reneged on international deals and so on, putting taxpayers first". And now Iceland's economy "looks set to outgrow both the euro area and the developed world on average," according to estimates by the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD). And by the way, benefit fraud - just 0.75 per cent of total benefit expenditure - is a drop in the ocean compared to tax avoidance by multinationals and individual friends of and donors to this vile coalition.

Sue is so right. And also, the only reason this country is struggling is because we were forced to give all our taxpayers money to bail out the banks. Focus on that. Normally we would have had more than enough for the NHS and the Welfare State - especially for our disabled. Yes, there had to be constraints on abusers of the benefits system, but not at the expense of most of us workers who have paid years of tax into the system who simply lost and continue to lose our jobs. It is shocking. And frankly, the MPs' expenses scandal saw more money siphoned off from taxpayers' money than benefit fraudsters! For their second homes, fancy belfast sinks, Oka furniture and duck islands and moats. Who exactly have their noses in the trough!

I'm going to ring RSPCA about this. Not happy. What do you think First Mate? (First Class person, actually).

First Mate - you are a star! I can't believe the RSPCA. They do so much good work usually.

'The RSPCA say there is nothing they can do without sight of the dog.' That's unbelievable! I'd say ring them again - a different office maybe? You might have got a jobsworth type.

I think otter meant Penguin68 - that apologist for this coalition and their friends the bankers - was missing the point with his 'little people' comment. Penguin68 said that the little people, i.e. us, would have been hurt even more if the bust banks had been allowed to fail. But as I said earlier, if those banks had been allowed to fail, as happened in Iceland, and the depositors reimbursed, it would still have been much cheaper than bailing out those banks, as we as taxpayers ended up doing to the detriment of the country and its services in general, resulting in the bastard crooks carrying on business as usual i.e. giving each other ?1million plus bonuses while refusing to give loans to small businesses as they promised. (I wonder what The Guardian et al would think of that supposed bastion of the middle class East Dulwich being a hotbed of revolutionary subversiveness! I wonder too what the coalition would think - a wake-up call perhaps that even so-called Middle England is not prepared to watch passively by without conscience while the poor and disabled and the rest of us are being shafted?)

Hospital is not the only help that can be given. But he was still crying and begging for help. There should have been another way.

Purplebreeze said: 'he was crying and begging for help.' But Penguin68 said: 'Facilities should be available to help those who have decided they need it, but not to force 'help' on those who clearly don't want it.' He was crying and begging for help penguin. Which part of crying and begging for help do you not understand?

Wouldn't it be rather nice if East Dulwich were to be at the forefront of the revolution? We are exactly the demography who should be voting for the Lib/con crooks in their eyes, but what a surprise to them if we didn't. Vive La R?volution!

Sue wrote: 'How far have we sunk in this country that we now need foodbanks? And meanwhile there are the fat pigs raking in millions for heading up failing organisations, and a frenzy over a newborn privileged royal. Next it will be the return of the Poor House. I'm ashamed to be English.' I don't always agree with you Sue, but my God, I do on this! And I'm proud of your post. I feel exactly the same. You've absolutely hit the nail on the head and have summed up this screwed up economy in a nutshell! And don't let us forget the bankers, who, with the aid of both the 'New Labour' and LibCon (con being the operative word!) governments who deregulated the banking industry even more than Thatcher did, caused this whole financial crash that has resulted in this spurious ideology pushing for austerity measures (though not for the rich, of course). We should have done what Iceland did - let the toxic bankrupt banks fail, while bailing out the depositors, and then jail the perpetrators. It would have been literally a trillion pounds (of taxpayers money) cheaper than propping up the bust banks! Have any bankers or politicians been jailed here? No. I remember being shocked during the Thatcher era at the visible increase on London's streets of homeless people. At that time and after, I only read about food banks in the US, thinking how could such a great civilisation be in such dire straits to need such a thing, but never ever thought it would come to this here in Britain. We should all be ashamed. We can no longer call ourselves 'Great' Britain. And as for our young people - leaving university with ?35,000 plus in debt and no hope of getting a home of their own until their fifties if they're lucky. Was it Cicero who said a population in debt is a population controlled? I as a baby boomer, like most of our politicians actually, had free university and was able to buy a one-bedroom garden flat with a small deposit and manageable monthly payments in my mid-thirties (I'm now 54). They and us should be rioting in the streets - not salivating over a royal baby, passively watching the X factor and looking on helplessly while our employment rights and social security safety net in the event of the ever-increasing threat of losing our jobs are eroded by these Eton boys. And don't get me started on that criminal organisation Atos and the disabled!

Could be. But it takes many different forms. If the builders are competent they'd know for sure, and if it was they'd have to call in the local council immediately. Here's a picture of asbestos insulation: http://asbestosinsulationpictures.org/Asbestos-Symptoms.php

I think Toptree should be banned actually - looking at his previous history it's largely classic trolling along the lines of: 'you obviously have no friends'. A thoroughly nasty, bitter piece of work.

TopTree - you really are a hideous little troll.

Went to a wonderful barbecue Frog on the Green in Consort Road yesterday - and it's on again today (Sunday) from 12pm to 8pm! Incredible fare includes souvlaki (pork I think), the most amazing lamb (which I had), sea bream etc all with a salad bursting with the most complex flavours. Plus there's pudding! Very reasonable prices. A great way to enjoy this rare glorious weather. And I believe they're doing this throughout the summer - what's left of it!

Alice wrote: 'so flower, someone sat next to you on a bench then got up and walked away. scarey.' Well, sneer all you like Alice. However, it is usually blatently apparent when something is not right. As flower said, "attention was unwanted". She doesn't specify, but why should she. I've had it myself. Person being nervy and strange and, more importantly,intrusive. It makes you feel you just want to get away. And when you do, you're relieved. But if, when you get up, so do they, you wonder what they're going to do next. All very rum, but when you get home you feel grateful. Maybe he's just lonely, maybe he's a pest. But why hang around to find out which one.

Thanks stacey-lyn. Well, who knows what it is. The fourth email has been taken down now, and I assume he (she, it?) will be blocked now for good. If it comes back we'll know there's a problem.

Anyway, why is it still up?

I reported three of them to admin, who took them down immediately and presumably blocked this person. But then half an hour later another one popped up with the same user name, which is why I assumed the forum had been hacked, as blocking him obviously hadn't worked. It's not alarmist if some forumites' computers are compromised by clicking on the links in the post (they're at the bottom, Straferack) - and you forget that people are by nature curious. I know it took all my strength not to!

FORLITEA (see below) has now posted four of these trojans or worm things - three have been deleted by admin, but he needs to be blocked. Don't anyone click on his links!

A young child lives with her!!?