JohnL

Blah Blah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Bercow has basically nipped May's efforts to > blackmail her party and the DUP in the bud. And he > has done it for the integrity of Parliament over > personal privilege (and peerage). Yes it is > controversial, but these are extraordinary times. All Hail John Bercow - the only guy in politics I remember from university politics (he was right wing then)

She's creating a backstop - another one. She hopes to agree with the EU that if her deal passes somehow there's a short technical extension of A50 and if her deal doesn't pass the UK falls into the backstop of an longer extended A50 until her deal passes or we come up with something new.

Lowlander Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Only they don't have the majority for a Queen's > speech to re-open parliament :-) Oh that's the plan prorogation and new session - at least it's not prorogation full stop. Just a few more Tories peeled off and they certainly wouldn't especially if the new Queens speech was just Mays deal. Dodgy ground.

".. There are ways around this - a prorogation of parliament .." Solicitor General That's perhaps one of the few things that could turn the 23rd March nasty.

I hated Cameron and Osborn's negative campaigning - but they did similar against Ed Milliband in 2015 and it worked.

I've never really seen anything like this. Bercow's given up on a peerage from this PM LOL.

Angelina Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I think the shambles that is happening is enough > to make anyone crazy. Oh I understand that - organises a march, turns up at Sunderland and there's a load of remainers there (and they were all waiting at the pub in Middlesborough too) :). Feels a bit like the boating thing on the Thames (Geldof vs Farage)

She's offered up Olly Robbins head. The woman has no shame.

Actually the march is quickly becoming a farce. Less than 100 and harassed by remainers (and the signs) all the way. Farage has gone too.

diable rouge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > JohnL Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > 'Led By Donkeys' seem to have come out of > nowhere > > - but they certainly know how to publicise LOL. > > I think they've been around a while (I made an > oblique reference to them a couple of months > ago... > /forum/read.php? > 20,1833347,1999858#msg-1999858), the 'epic march' > stunts have been very good, especially the one > where Farage is on the bus... Apparently the march yesterday went over the Middlesborough Transporter Bridge. But it was closed. And no-one told them.

There was a lively discussion between leavers and remainers on the Farage march yesterday. One of the leave organisers came charging over and committed assault. tweet with video now deleted (I should have saved it) but the crazed look on his face was something to see. https://www.shieldsgazette.com/news/crime/police-probe-assault-complaint-after-woman-says-she-was-pushed-during-march-to-leave-protest-in-sunderland-1-9656935

'Led By Donkeys' seem to have come out of nowhere - but they certainly know how to publicise LOL. Just noted "Hi folks - do you know anyone who works at @OceanOutdoorUK? " - Ocean is an independent media company specialising in super premium digital out of home screens. They're not going to stop then :)

Seriously there's loads of conversations online about weights getting less and prices remaining the same - but not many about weights being mislabelled - wonder if they've reduced to 1.2 Kg and mislabelled. Note: All Sainsbury's stuff says you can return if not satisfied. https://conversation.which.co.uk/food-drink/shrinking-products-supermarket-pack-sizes-prices-stay-same/

Ahh Due to Brexit you see our Kilogram has been devalued against he EU Kilogram.

Looks like it (the roof) is going to be open - also the weather forecast is for rain all day in Cardiff. It's also St Patrick's weekend of course.

diable rouge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > True, but as Benn said yesterday, they will have > another chance if May's deal is voted down again > next Mon/Tues. Winning the Benn amendment wouldn't > have made any difference in that respect as it > would've kicked in on Wed. In fact there's a good > argument that not winning the Benn amendment was a > blessing in disguise, as had it won it could've > spooked the ERG May's deal refusniks ahead of MV3. > It's all about timings now, I also think Labour > did the right thing not backing the 2nd Ref > amendment yesterday... Silver lining. I thought the 2nd Ref amendment should have been pulled - apparently caused a bit of a spat between Labour and the Tiggers.

WRU making friends and influencing people (both inside Wales and outside)

There's an argument over the roof now in Cardiff. Apparently last time Wales & Ireland agreed to close it the WRU soaked the pitch. Life is so political these days.

diable rouge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Why do you say that John?... My gut reaction to the loss of the Benn amendment as I left work LOL - there's still a lot to go but any motions in parliament will now come through the government and be worded as such.

Benn amendment defeated 314 - 312 Mays deal done and dusted really

it's not just parliament 4:08 PM Latest from Cabinet Theresa May raised concerns about frequency & scale of leaks from Cabinet 4:10 PM May "went batshit" at Remain rebels Clark's effort to defend himself "ended badly" Rudd "bashful". So obviously journalists on both Leave and Remain Whatsapp groups.

robbin Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I think that anyone voting to back May's 'deal' is > either lacking in basic intelligence and/or is > negligently lazy(because they have not read and/or > understood the two documents) or is consciously > putting other interests before those of the > country. It is indefensible and I remain > surprised that commentators have not picked up on > the point I mentioned above - I suppose it is > easier for them to stress the simpler to > understand concept of the Irish border, but the > real killer about the deal is the fact that it > will prevent a properly negotiated free trade > deal. All TM cares about is stopping FOM and escaping the ECHR. There must be a reason for that.

I forgot Hammond above - he's making his typically cautious move :) "Chancellor Philip Hammond said that although he backed Mrs May?s deal, ?other options? should be considered at the same time in the House of Commons."

If you count EEA/EFTA as staying. For me no freedom of movement is a large loss and also a future PM once we are parked in EFTA/EEA/Customs Union could move us further away from the EU (that's how I originally always saw the exit going once we left - a gradual parting).

Angelina Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > So if we're allowed a second referendum, but TM's > deal is off the table, what will the votes be > for? No deal can't be there - everyone sane thinks it would be a disaster. If Mays deal goes or voted down again I think you'd need some kind of EFTA/EEA option for 5 years with further options decided down the road.