JohnL

".. There are ways around this - a prorogation of parliament .." Solicitor General That's perhaps one of the few things that could turn the 23rd March nasty.

I hated Cameron and Osborn's negative campaigning - but they did similar against Ed Milliband in 2015 and it worked.

I've never really seen anything like this. Bercow's given up on a peerage from this PM LOL.

Angelina Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I think the shambles that is happening is enough > to make anyone crazy. Oh I understand that - organises a march, turns up at Sunderland and there's a load of remainers there (and they were all waiting at the pub in Middlesborough too) :). Feels a bit like the boating thing on the Thames (Geldof vs Farage)

She's offered up Olly Robbins head. The woman has no shame.

Actually the march is quickly becoming a farce. Less than 100 and harassed by remainers (and the signs) all the way. Farage has gone too.

diable rouge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > JohnL Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > 'Led By Donkeys' seem to have come out of > nowhere > > - but they certainly know how to publicise LOL. > > I think they've been around a while (I made an > oblique reference to them a couple of months > ago... > /forum/read.php? > 20,1833347,1999858#msg-1999858), the 'epic march' > stunts have been very good, especially the one > where Farage is on the bus... Apparently the march yesterday went over the Middlesborough Transporter Bridge. But it was closed. And no-one told them.

There was a lively discussion between leavers and remainers on the Farage march yesterday. One of the leave organisers came charging over and committed assault. tweet with video now deleted (I should have saved it) but the crazed look on his face was something to see. https://www.shieldsgazette.com/news/crime/police-probe-assault-complaint-after-woman-says-she-was-pushed-during-march-to-leave-protest-in-sunderland-1-9656935

'Led By Donkeys' seem to have come out of nowhere - but they certainly know how to publicise LOL. Just noted "Hi folks - do you know anyone who works at @OceanOutdoorUK? " - Ocean is an independent media company specialising in super premium digital out of home screens. They're not going to stop then :)

Seriously there's loads of conversations online about weights getting less and prices remaining the same - but not many about weights being mislabelled - wonder if they've reduced to 1.2 Kg and mislabelled. Note: All Sainsbury's stuff says you can return if not satisfied. https://conversation.which.co.uk/food-drink/shrinking-products-supermarket-pack-sizes-prices-stay-same/

Ahh Due to Brexit you see our Kilogram has been devalued against he EU Kilogram.

Looks like it (the roof) is going to be open - also the weather forecast is for rain all day in Cardiff. It's also St Patrick's weekend of course.

diable rouge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > True, but as Benn said yesterday, they will have > another chance if May's deal is voted down again > next Mon/Tues. Winning the Benn amendment wouldn't > have made any difference in that respect as it > would've kicked in on Wed. In fact there's a good > argument that not winning the Benn amendment was a > blessing in disguise, as had it won it could've > spooked the ERG May's deal refusniks ahead of MV3. > It's all about timings now, I also think Labour > did the right thing not backing the 2nd Ref > amendment yesterday... Silver lining. I thought the 2nd Ref amendment should have been pulled - apparently caused a bit of a spat between Labour and the Tiggers.

WRU making friends and influencing people (both inside Wales and outside)

There's an argument over the roof now in Cardiff. Apparently last time Wales & Ireland agreed to close it the WRU soaked the pitch. Life is so political these days.

diable rouge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Why do you say that John?... My gut reaction to the loss of the Benn amendment as I left work LOL - there's still a lot to go but any motions in parliament will now come through the government and be worded as such.

Benn amendment defeated 314 - 312 Mays deal done and dusted really

it's not just parliament 4:08 PM Latest from Cabinet Theresa May raised concerns about frequency & scale of leaks from Cabinet 4:10 PM May "went batshit" at Remain rebels Clark's effort to defend himself "ended badly" Rudd "bashful". So obviously journalists on both Leave and Remain Whatsapp groups.

robbin Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I think that anyone voting to back May's 'deal' is > either lacking in basic intelligence and/or is > negligently lazy(because they have not read and/or > understood the two documents) or is consciously > putting other interests before those of the > country. It is indefensible and I remain > surprised that commentators have not picked up on > the point I mentioned above - I suppose it is > easier for them to stress the simpler to > understand concept of the Irish border, but the > real killer about the deal is the fact that it > will prevent a properly negotiated free trade > deal. All TM cares about is stopping FOM and escaping the ECHR. There must be a reason for that.

I forgot Hammond above - he's making his typically cautious move :) "Chancellor Philip Hammond said that although he backed Mrs May?s deal, ?other options? should be considered at the same time in the House of Commons."

If you count EEA/EFTA as staying. For me no freedom of movement is a large loss and also a future PM once we are parked in EFTA/EEA/Customs Union could move us further away from the EU (that's how I originally always saw the exit going once we left - a gradual parting).

Angelina Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > So if we're allowed a second referendum, but TM's > deal is off the table, what will the votes be > for? No deal can't be there - everyone sane thinks it would be a disaster. If Mays deal goes or voted down again I think you'd need some kind of EFTA/EEA option for 5 years with further options decided down the road.

Angelina Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Even IF TM had collaborated at the onset, there is > a chance but no promise that this would have > progressed more smoothly - and agreement in our > own Parliament achieved. It's debatable. > > The second challenge would be to get this > agreement signed off with the EU - and the scale > of our shoddiness in terms of negotiation skills > would not have met this challenge (unless it was > on the EU terms, whcih is where we are now). > > There is no point is looking at who is to blame > and what could have been done. > > TM will leave the stage once this is finished - > she will wash her hands of it - there will be > continuity and no responsibility for it (whatever > it is) going forward. I really have no idea who is fit to become PM. Tories (sorry for the derogatory remarks): Definitely not Boris J not fit IMHO, Gove is a little squirt, Hunt is a ****, Javid I don't trust. Ken Clarke - Maybe I would but too old, Raab no gravitas. Lidington - better than some. Labour: People supporting Corbyn say like Clem Attlee he can pick a team around him. McDonnell is good on TV. If you're a centrist maybe Yvette Cooper - she's good at questioning May. Whats all the support for Jess Phillips recently ? Keir Starmer: maybe could do it :)

LOL @ The Speaker annoying ERG today Refuses to pick the amendment that rules out a 2nd Referendum Picks one saying Theresa May can't put her deal again. I'll miss Bercow when he goes.

Angelina Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > TM has taken it down to the wire and left the > ultimate choice to be her deal as it stands (with > the legal risks of tying UK into subservience to > the will of the EU) or No Deal. > > An extension does not offer any further choices. > > So - as it is when we vote - the choice will be > Which Do You Want Least? rather than which do you > actually WANT This is Mays fault - she should have reached out both to other parties and Remainers long ago. Whatever the EU says I'm sure they know this. Anyway the ERG and a minority in the country have now decided that NO Deal is the only real Brexit - that wasn't the case at the beginning or before the referendum and she's let that view build purposely for her own benefit.