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titch juicy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I have absolutely no faith in any polls right now. > There's such a wide range of possible outcomes. > > The seat predictions here haven't altered a huge > amount. Still an increased Tory majority. How this > can be so wildly different to the poll that showed > the tories falling 16 seats short is a mystery to > me! > > http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/homepage.html That's not the raw figures - it assumes young people will vote at the level they did in 2015. YouGov are closer to the raw figures - assuming more young people will vote. A few things have changed though - young people being targeted (grime4corbyn etc), Corbyn is supposed (as a campaigning left winger) - to appeal to youngsters. He's promised to remove tuition fees - that's a big one for them.

TM: You can only deliver Brexit if you believe in Brexit Children listen

rendelharris Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Jules-and-Boo Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > To be fair - and demonstrate humanity - she is > in > > an unenviable position. She has momentous > > political changes to control and the > consequences > > are enormous. It literally is history in the > > making and she's getting jeered at left right > and > > centre. > > > > Who would really want to be in her place? > > For ?150K a year and a free flat in the centre of > town? I'd give it a go. > > Seriously, as RD notes, it's difficult to feel > sympathy for someone who chose to be in this > position and has given up on her principles in > order to grab it. Although I'm by no means a > monarchist I do see the "they didn't choose it" > argument - politicians, no. Remember we didn't > have to have an election now, she chose to call it > in the belief that she could consolidate her power > for at least the next lustrum and if it's biting > back at her, that's tough. Your humanity does you > credit but it's a bit misplaced in this instance, > I feel. And as has been pointed out, SHE called an election 11 days before talks with the EU27 were about to start. and then whinged about it :)

Green Goose Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Thought the FT summed it up quite well today.... > > Mr Corbyn is a fringe figure who has spent his > entire political career in opposition ? to his own > Labour leadership. > > Despite his recent media makeover, he is a > pacifist relic of the 1970s, in hock to the trade > unions, with no grip on economic issues. It is no > accident that the arrival of Mr Corbyn and his > hard-left supporters in mainstream politics has > coincided with a revival of anti-Semitism and > misogyny. Yet he might be reeling Theresa May in. She is a bad candidate for PM (and I doubt see'll last long anyway).

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Macron: Make our planet great again

titch juicy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Re- brexit. I like the potential Labour > negotiating team of Starmer, Thorberry and > Gardiner. Gardiner particularly has been > impressive in recent weeks. > That's his top team really. Starmer has been intelligent in his roll against Davis Gardiner has been excellent sniping this campaign

titch juicy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Re- brexit. I like the potential Labour > negotiating team of Starmer, Thorberry and > Gardiner. Gardiner particularly has been > impressive in recent weeks. > > But, has Corbyn made a big balls up today > insisting that he won't do deals, coalitions, > agreements with any other parties? Does he really > think he's going to win a majority with 7 days > left. > > There's just the merest glimmer of hope for a hung > parliament and surely his comments are ill-advised > in that case? > > Someone please correct me if i'm missing > something. > > Edit: I've been corrected. he was talking about > now, not post-election. Thornberry today said he'd make a queens speech and let the other parties decide whether to support it. Corbyn seemed to agree, http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/labour-would-try-govern-britain-13124551 Edit: What if Tories are largest and vote of no confidence is passed though - not mentioned :)

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/31/the-hand-is-left-to-do-the-heavy-lifting-while-maybot-reboots ?Have you not read my manifesto?? the Handbot announced imperiously. It sounded very much as if a palace coup had just been declared."

George Osborne still trolling Theresa May tweeting (about a London poll) "1st edition @EveningStandard has our shock @YouGov London poll with Corbyn now ahead of May as 'best PM'" https://twitter.com/George_Osborne/status/870236254377562112/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fpolitics%2Flive%2F2017%2Fjun%2F01%2Fgeneral-election-2017-may-absence-leaders-debate-brexit-politics-live

Anyway one of my favorite comments of the BBC debate Paul Nuttall: I'm not paying the EU any divorce settlements - we've paid the EU enough as members. Leanne Wood: Would you treat your wife like that Paul.

Louisa Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > If you want to take any information from polling, > look at some of the key marginals (limited data > this election), but it seems quite clear that in > classic 'mondeo man' land- where Blair won with > considerable ease during his years of office, the > Tories are a country mile ahead of Labour. The big > problems facing Labour don't stop there, they are > also splitting the unionist vote in Scotland more > so than ever, which will help the SNP retain what > they have. They also need to get turnout amongst > the under 25's over 70% to even come close to a > score draw (hung parliament). Will that happen? > The jury is out, millions of youngsters have > registered to vote, but will they bother to visit > the ballot box on June 8th? For Labour to win this > election they need the stars to align, much as > they did for Trump in the States. He managed to > galvanise working class votes in marginal states, > evidence thus far doesn't show anything remotely > similar happening here. > > Louisa. I suggested this on twitter - the polls that are close (YouGov is at 42 to 39 now) don't use an algorithm to include the non voting behavior of the young. Corbynista "This time it's different you just wait" To be true he is holding open air rally's that are attended by loads of youngsters - maybe he is getting the young vote out.

edhistory Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Was that an illegal banner I saw outside Oddono's? Whats an illegal banner and whats art :) https://www.theguardian.com/education/2017/may/22/jeremy-deller-strong-and-stable-my-arse-posters-london

Twitteratti say the Tories are planning to replace Theresa May with Amber Rudd - and she debates Corbyn tonight. Worth watching.

May is still pro-remain - she thinks it's a bad idea but she is implementing a leave vote That was made obvious in the Paxman interview.

Corbyn's back in the BBC debate tonight (Rudd representing Tories) He looked ready to kick some a**e ;);)

Apparently if his staff keep making up useless jobs for him to do, it stops him watching TV and tweeting. Maybe a covfefe is a useless job just to keep him occupied

malumbu Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Really didn't want Reading to go up, with their > out of town stadium Just checked that McAlpine > is less than a mile away from Huddersfield > station, and there will be pubs too. It's poo at > the Madejski. More importantly I am sure that > Hudersfield will be more fun. pretty sure the Huddersfield trip was popular in the Championship

Hurrah Corbyn just did it right - as CEOs do it - introduced the NHS policy, summarised it then introduced the shadow health secretary to go through the details That's what I see at corporate presentations. And the shadow health secretary has a dossier :) :) :) Edit: and as soon as Sky News realise this is the format they leave coverage :)

Winder Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > One sees the odd house with a poster in the window > or a bill board in the front yard saying " VOTE > for ****". > > Is this naff or should we all be doing it? Used to be rows and rows of houses with Labour posters back in the day in Swansea

Green Goose Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > JohnL Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > What is it with idiots asking for figures off > the > > top of peoples head at the moment. > > > > I's like business, if you go into a meeting and > you havn't got your figures and facts at your > finger tips, you are toast. It certainly is in the > businees that I'm in. I'm not interested in the figures as long as someone with authority signs them off. Just carry a dossier with the figures in and give it to anyone who asks - it should be trivial.

But read the bible and you see similar things as the original aim of Christianity - as the new religion tries to break away from the old so the old religion is demonized. For example the tale of Jesus & Barabas in Pilates court as a blood curse (Mathew 27:24-25) - notice after Christianity is up and running it doesn't need demonization of the Jewish religion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_curse

titch juicy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Didn't Philip Hammond balls something similar up > too? Was it reported? (it must've been if i know > about it, but perhaps it didn't sit as BBC > website's main headline all day) He got HS2 costings wrong - was reported but not the big fuss being made here Edit: May also said children could be fed school meals for 6.8 pence each apparently.

BrandNewGuy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Well, there are issues with costings. The IFS are > about as unimpeachable as you can get and they've > slagged off both Tory and Labour tax and spend > figures: > https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/may/26/c > onservative-labour-tax-spending-plans-ifs-general- > election-manifesto But only one side makes it to the headline of "World at One" At the end of the interview with Barry Gardiner the host admits that it's better if journalists lay of the how much is this ?, how much is that ? hoping to catch politicians out -- but it's been cut out Aghhhhh