JohnL

Putin has come to his rescue and offered to publish the transcript of Lavrov and Trump talking in the White House. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/vladimir-putin-donald-trump-tapes-willing-to-provide-meeting-russian-lavrov-latest-a7740416.html

Talking of Laughing Stock Boris has been in a Sikh temple trying to sell Whisky http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-sikh-temple-brexit-whisky-tariffs-foreign-minister-bristol-a7740551.html

robbin Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Well, to be fair, most people do consider him to > be a laughing stock! Yes - when I say do not like - I mean they seem to have a total disrespect for him.

Jeremy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Yeah some lefties complain the BBC has a right > wing bias (particularly the paranoid and deluded > Corbynistas, who are convinced that > #mainstreammedia has an anti-Corbyn agenda). > > At the same time, right wingers think the BBC is > overtly lefty and too "politically correct". > > Of course, both are wrong. Some presenters screw their faces up when they mention him - watch. It's not hard to see (if you're sensitive to that kind of thing) that they personally do not like the man.

Otta Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I thought Hammond was given quite a hard time by > Humphries. Which he should be. > > I am tired of hearing people saying how right wing > and pro tory the BBC is. I just don't see it that > way at all. And yes I know there are specific > examples, but that doesn't make the corporation > biased. Didn't hear BBC - most of my ire is directed at Sky News One of the (not resident) presenters was so angry last week when she talked about Labour and Corbyn she began waving her arms around. They make constant jokes about him (which might be appropriate down the pub but not in a TV studio) - they even referred to today being the day to pick holes in Labour's manifesto.

They've added to the story now as someone collected them (using a mobile hive) and said "But then when we talked to people and explained to them that actually a swarm is very benign, the likelihood of getting stung is very, very rare, and in most cases it's only when people swat them or squash them on their body that the bee will sting them. "They're very calm and very docile when they're swarming." Re-assuring :)

TheCat Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > TE44 Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > I think people who have done better from poor > > backgrounds but still not middle earners, would > > want to help. > > Possibly. I think you'd probably get an equal > amount from poor backgrounds who would say..."well > i managed to drag myself up, through hard work and > dedication, so there's nothing stopping them > except themselves. I didnt get any helping hands, > so f#ck them" > > I'm not saying thats the right way to think or > not, just saying that im sure there would be all > types, and its hard to speculate on what certain > people might think based on their income.... Even those who think they got no help probably did, the manager they "clicked" with, the lucky contact they made, a person leaving at the right time when they were in the "goldilocks" period. Working hard is like the pre-requisite - you still need that something else IMHO.

Burbage Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > TheCat Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > But I do have to ask, practically, how do they > > continue to be so brazen? > > It's very simple. It's the same way as enforcement > companies get bailiffs to be so beastly, and banks > persuade(d) their clerks to flog useless products > to victims who could never use them. What you do > is hire some young, smart, idealistic self-starter > and then, once they're signed up, make it > perfectly clear that, unless they do the brazen > stuff, they won't hit the end of probation, let > alone pocket the commission that, for most of > them, has to do in place of a living wage. > > Once the innocence and idealism has rubbed off, > all that's left is hollow greed. And, to be fair, > professional detachment. But that's > understandable. The detachment that lets an estate > agent stitch up a tenant is no different from the > detachment that lets a surgeon stick a knife in a > grandmother. And, like surgeons, they can smile > and dress like brothel-keeper's butlers, but > beneath that urbane exterior is nothing more or > less than what's in all of us. It's just they have > a job that allows, nay requires them, to let it > loose. > > If there is a difference it's that we're all > complicit now. In days of yore, it was the toffs > that led from the office, oppressing peasants by > means of other peasants, and only peasants got > hurt. But now it's shareholders - the institutions > that invest our savings and our pension funds - > that set the targets on our behalf. In other > words, it's us. I don't know if that's much > comfort, but that's how it is. You have to make corporate bullies afraid of the customer by loudly complaining. Problem is you'll usually pick on the innocent one accidentally :)

KidKruger Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Her fault she was on drugs. > Her fault she was on alcohol. > Her fault she attached victim with a knife (and > other weapons). > Why are intoxicants persistently used as the basis > for leniency, like it was something done 'to' them > ?! > Most people with a 'troubled' background don't > knife others during arguments - not a > justification. > If you've got a lot of promise and talent, and > you've worked hard to get to where you are to > forge a great future for yourself, then it's down > to you to ensure you protect that future as best > you can - not use it as an excuse to justify > heinous acts. If you've a lot to lose, then don't > squander it - others will learn (and benefit) from > your loss. > What about precedence - will the next 'person of > good character' now use their promising future as > a caveat for whatever imprisonable offence they > commit, citing this case as why they should be let > off ? > And finally, it's like a 2-tier viewpoint, where > less privileged persons may get heavier sentencing > just because they don't (yet) have the options > available to the subject of this case. > It's total bollox. Except I'm sure I've heard the "He never stood a chance coming from where he came" argument used also in mitigation,

I take it these aren't yours http://news.sky.com/story/huge-bee-swarm-sparks-rush-hour-standstill-in-southeast-london-10880994

Green Goose Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Speculation abounds that Vince Cable will switch > sides and join Labour following his interview with > Susanna Reid when he says that the LibDems? new > public sector pay policy will affect 1 million > workers, then 2 million workers, then 5.4 > million. > > Or maybe he is going in for a Darwin awards, > politically speaking. > > GG > > PS - RH, this was the fruits of my mate's > research. Politicians have ideas and the big picture - let the minions get the numbers

I noticed today that Hammond allowed May and himself to take credit for what David Cameron and George Osborne did. Not that it really matters but I think the Tories are being given an easy ride here...

robbin Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > But, to keep it while removing any > actual value as a deterrent with the Prime > Minister (trying to keep a straight face writing > that) saying he would never actually use it! Never trust the guy carrying a huge stick who says he never uses it - he'll whack you for sure.

Can I mention the old wives tale Swifts never land :)

Blair has done an interview ... with Alastair Campbell He's got the idea :) http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/tony-blair-says-mafia-right-wing-uk-press-crossed-a-line-with-pro-brexit-propaganda/

Looking at the below link there's more "nationalisation" since 2000 than I thought https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nationalizations_by_country

So Lordship Lane is for gossip and Peckham Rye is where I can buy some stuff, where-as businesses go to Bellenden Road :) Not cliched then :)

So it's a fake forum :) :) :) Trumpity trump

Of course there is the possibility as the New Statesman suggests .. "The appointment has some insiders suggesting that Jeremy Corbyn is staffing his campaign with an eye not on the general election but on the battle for control of the Labour party afterwards." IMHO the idea that this GE is worthless is rather sad (makes me not want to bother sometimes)

???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Wheres as Corbyn's just appointed as head of his > campaign (Andrew Murray) someome who was a member > of the Communist party in DECEMBER and in Dec 2015 > said: > > "Communism still represents, in my view, a society > wort working towards"...good old Jezza the > "non-extreme, cuddly, social democrat" My a*rse he > is. It's a secondment from Len McCluskey I'd say to provide management support. 'On Monday, a source close to Corbyn said: ?It is simply untrue that Andrew is heading up the campaign. He has been seconded to support the campaign.?' http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jeremy-corbyn-drafts-in-andrew-murray-to-head-2017-general-election-campaign-team-unite-stop-the-war-chair_uk_5918c0ade4b0031e737e7b6d

Swansea stay up :) :) commiserations to Hull, Boro and Sunderland.

Just checking on Thatchers advisors and some of their beliefs. Here's the sort of thing they thought .. https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/dec/30/thatcher-government-liverpool-riots-1981

jaywalker Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Posters have said we should get back down to > earth. But politicians read these things (Thatcher > underlined the works of Friedman in three > different colours) and we all pay the > consequences. I don't mind highbrow political discussion but I'm not that good at it :) I like to look at connections between people. Thatcher's mentor was Sir Keith Joseph IIRC. The men Thatcher surrounded herself with were rather strange.

And yet still Emily Thornberry's old boss is/was the cleverest political operator in the UK of the last 30 years. Doesn't say a lot for the current shambles on both sides. At least Jeremy Hunt knew to keep his mouth shut this morning. Well Done :)

Duvaller Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > JohnL Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Emily Thornberry absolutely demolished Michael > > Fallon on Marr today Brilliant. She even said > > B@ll**ks. > > > What's that got to do with the intellectual > discussion we were having about Hayek and > Friedman? I wanted to bring the level back down. Although I remember the Federation of Conservative Students (I was a bit right wing in my youth) discussing it ad infinitum and getting nowhere. They got disbanded .... by Norman Tebbit I think ;)