Louisa

ED doesn't need another charity shop. I give to charity and by from charity shops, but we cannot have our high street dominated by one type of business - whoever they may be. We are in desperate need of a whole host of shops around here. Louisa.

Londis do a lovely pre packaged salad of wilted lettuce leaves and if you're lucky a cherry tomato. Enjoy. Louisa.

I nominate the unfortunately named "Gross women" thread. Ultimately, because it brought to our attention lack of manners and important issues surrounding shared spaces and public decency. Louisa.

Another charity shop? Anyone got a life jacket cos the ED ship seems to be sinking faster than the Titanic currently. How ridiculous. Why don't we have a couple more Indian take aways and an estate agent whilst we are at it? Louisa.

Looking at the proposed shop layout it screams chain retail on a small scale. What a shame. Why can't pretty's continue to rent it? Louisa.

Please please let this business know! If you don't wish to upset them, give me the details and I shall go and do it for you. They will be grateful for your feedback I can assure you. Louisa.

Nicholas Spears Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Louisa: I think criticising the Guardian for being > patronising and lazy over this piece is ludicrous. > The butcher is responsible for falsely claiming > East Dulwich was rough eight years ago - God knows > why - and the Guardian could not seriously be > expected to launch a full-scale investigation to > determine exactly how rough the locale was. > > And maybe the Guardian didn't mention 'the > farmers' (who I've never actually come across > myself in hundreds of walks down Lordship Lane) > because no-one mentioned them to their reporter. > > The truth is though that East Dulwich is a classic > case of gentrification - no-one needs to twist > anything to produce a piece saying that. I thought the article was about supporting local independent shops? If that's the case, then why would they only pick two businesses in the area which have been trading for about a decade, purely post gentrification, rather than other businesses which have been successfully contributing to the local economy for a lot longer? Just a thought. The Guardian does not have to look very far to see how East Dulwich is a classic case of gentrification, and I'm pretty sure most journalists writing about the area would be fully aware of that. Farmers is the shop sandwiched between GBK and the old locksmiths. It always has a whole host of mops buckets and various other items outside the shop so pretty difficult to miss. Check it out next time you walk down the lane. Very handy for cleaning products, light bulbs, bits and bobs. I'd also fit Dulwich DIY further along the lane into the category of successful independent business, and the Kebab & Wine. Louisa.

AbDabs Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I don't think anyone should take offence; I don't > think they were making a comment about the people. > I look back a few years (and a lot of years) to an > East Dulwich that was a 'bit rough', as in 'rough > and ready' or 'rough round the edges' ie untidy, > unloved. That's how it always seemed to me; too > many empty or run down shops, a few too many > semi-derelict houses. Now it looks like someone > cares about the place. I take your point, and I'm sure the comment was not intended to offend any specific group. However, the fact the area was down at the heel, overwhelmingly working class, with relatively high unemployment were all a reflection on why the area looked as it did, that's not to say the area didn't contain good independent shops back then. I look to farmers, who have been trading on Lordship Lane for decades, and rather successfully too. How come the Guardian doesn't mention them? Instead it chooses a classic couple of examples of gentrification to satisfy the middle classes. Patronising, lazy journalism from them along with unfortunate phraseology from the gentleman quoted, which could be interpreted in any number of ways. Louisa.

Eastern Delight. Louisa.

On the Scots referendum theme I think we should have an interim anthem, how about "Making your mind up" by Bucks Fizz Louisa.

I went down on the off chance to have a pre Christmas browse to get me in the spirit. Wonderfully organised, if somewhat too loud for me. I too would have stayed longer had it not been so crowded and painfully ear drum ringing. Nevermind, can't please everyone. Louisa.

I take offence to that comment. This is why I choose not to frequent certain shops around here I consider pretentious. If you're going to an established community and wishing to open up a business, how about involving everyone and being inclusive rather than offending a substantial portion of the local population who've lived there since day one with throwaway comments like that. Louisa.

StraferJack Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > mid to late 90s? people wouldnt empathise with > aids victims? > > You were hanging around with the wrong crowd love, > never mind about Diana I didn't actually state a year, but I think you'll find she was meeting HIV/AIDS victims back in the 80s when the illness was at its height and no not so many people were empathetic. Read the link below, April 1987. http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1291&dat=19870410&id=PidUAAAAIBAJ&sjid=aY0DAAAAIBAJ&pg=5210,2926222 And "hanging out with the wrong crowd love", come on StraferJack please, I don't think this thread is one to be getting personal with people. I am stating why I believed she was great in what she chose to do, and to everyone else, I named a few "great" people from the 20th century, all on different levels for different reasons. Of course I am not directly comparing her charity work to a man who defeated apartheid in South Africa. Why does everything on this forum always lead to personal attacks? People may want to take inspiration from the great man himself who despite all the odds managed to bring peace and reconciliation to his country without the use of confrontation. Louisa.

StraferJack Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > she was never unaware of where the cameras were > tho was she? And why would she be? The woman was hounded by cameras for years, and unlike some whinging celebrities she took the opportunity to use this publicity to the advantage of various causes. > plus, however much it impacted on you, it didn't > exactly put her out much did it? Maybe it didn't, but even if it only impacted on me, and no one else, it was still a force for the good, at a time when most people would not touch this topic with a barge poll StraferJack. Louisa.

Thank goodness for people like Nelson Mandela and indeed Diana for raising awareness around HIV/AIDS. Still such a misunderstood illness which has a devastating affect on individuals both physically and emotionally, as well as being responsible for killing so many before treatments became available, and indeed to this day is still cruelly taking the lives of treatment deprived communities in parts of Africa and Asia. It's so easy to underestimate the influence someone can have just by confronting taboos head on. Diana seen hugging a dying man may seem trivial to some of you, but for me it was a life changing moment following all the scary imagery and misinformation which was doing the rounds regarding this illness back in the day. Louisa.

Diana was an inspiration to a lot of people in her short life and she made a huge influence in the field of charity work especially bringing land mines to the public attention as well as hugging dying people suffering from HIV/AIDS at a time when many people in authority still shunned away from this tragic illness and it's impact on whole communities. So not I'm not 'kidding you'. Anne Frank unwittingly has influenced the world in what was a terribly short life by exposing how hatred and oppression can be documented through the eyes of a child. Even today children learn about her short life in school, making the awful effects of nazism and fascism relevant through the eyes of a youngster. Winston Churchill Grew up and took part in the British Empire, I'm not saying everything he did was relevant in respect of inspirational or greatness. But his influence on the United States was second to none in preventing what would have been annihilation for this country had he not been able to gain favour with the Americans during those dark early years of World War Two. Louisa.

So few fall into the category of genuinely using their influence in making a difference. Be that in democracy, civil rights or culturally. For me aside from Nelson Mandela, Martin Luther King Mahatma Gandhi Anne Frank Diana, Princess of Wales Emmeline Pankhurst Winston Churchill All for very different reasons. Louisa.

One of the few great inspirational leaders of the 20th century who genuinely made a difference. Louisa.

MrBen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > One other thought....whilst I get Louisa's point, > there really aren't too many bankers living in > East Dulwich. They're all living in much nicer > areas! MrBen I agree, probably more Dulwich Village than here. Although, that family orientated demographic has increased in recent years and surely it has in some way affected the footfall in LL on a week night. I take the point about Peckham and Forest Hills emergence from the shadows. Louisa.

The Draft House is a small chain. Interesting to note that none of the other pubs in this small group are closing - Clapham, Battersea et all still doing rather well and busy. I don't think it will be much longer before Adventure Bar move out, every time I walk past it seems half empty. Whereas the ones in other areas are rammed most nights. Oh Lordship Lane what have these nappy valley yummiest and their banker hubby's done to you? :) Louisa.

PR do churches do scented candles? Those would be about the right size. Louisa.

I'm happy to spend money on candles, wine and real ale, if they are in a reasonably priced range. I personally think a candle of the size I want, handmade with a beautiful scent, is a wonderful thing for a one off buy. For me a bargain would be between ?35 and ?57, anymore would be daylight robbery, any less would burn too quickly and smell horrible. A burger on the other hand, made with some bizarre road kill and sold from some ageing rusting camper van somehow deeming it 'cool', in the stated range of ?6 to ?12 and bought on a regular basis is the ultimate in middle class oneupmanship. Louisa.

Best hot pizza locally - without question, Go Go's East Dulwich Grove. Plus you can get coleslaw and mix match the base sauce, unlike the poncey allegedly authentic Italian chain eateries who charge the earth of basically cheese on toast. I quite like the cheese and baked bean pizza in Iceland too. Let the insults come my way :) Louisa.

Same old story. Retail premises far too small on LL, and a really poor evening footfall. A restaurant may do ok, but look at the only other chain on the lane - GBK, it's far emptier than most other rival branches in London. This is what amazes me about all the chain comments on another thread, most large chains wouldn't touch this area with a barge poll, for the reasons stated. Louisa.

Inkmaiden thank you for that link I've just discovered a number of candles on the website you supplied so I shall venture in today. Louisa.