Louisa

Get your tube maps out and head underground - I, Louisa, want to know what tube line YOU are. Try the quiz in the link below and post up the line and the comments after which sum up your personality. Good luck. http://www.buzzfeed.com/robinedds/which-london-underground-line-are-you Louisa.

I would advise joining the A5 from Edgware Road and staying on that through Kilburn, Cricklewood etc until you reach the M1. Join the motorway and keep going until you get to Milton Keynes. I'd advise a stop off here to see the concrete cows and indoor shopping centre. Rejoin the M1 at junction 14 and carry straight up until the turn off for Lincoln. Lovely cathedral. Rejoin and stay on the M1/A1(M) past Gateshead, maybe a stop off there? One of my favourite cities and you go last Northumberland National Park which is stunning, highly recommend a stop off here. Then carry on the A1 along the English/Scottish coast possibly stopping at Berwick-upon-Tweed? Until you finally reach Edinburgh. Should take no longer than seven and a half hours. Louisa.

I do understand and fully appreciate how sometimes my posts can be taken out of context in a negative or positive light. I have an odd sense of humour. I apologise if ive mislead people in some way. But back on topic, I am off shopping later at an undisclosed supermarket where I will buy some smoked salmon. I have to confess I have never bought smoked salmon for anything other than a mixed seafood starter but I am willing to throw the towel in on this one IF A - the smoked salmon isnt too expensive and doesn't have patronising terms on the packaging like organic, smoked in beech wood etc And.. B - I can post my genuine opinion of a smoked salmon breakfast back on here without being accused of being a covert bourgeoise person who eats expensive food items for breakfast. I shall report back with my GENUINE findings. Louisa.

John it's easy for a ganging up culture to develop in these debates. I contribute a lot more than just alleged trolling to this forum, and those posts are overlooked by said posters above who are quick to judge someone without looking at the facts. There are plenty of genuine trolls on here who contribute nothing other than the odd moan and groan or yet another thread about m&s/waitrose. Louisa.

Sorry Dopamine1979, what are you suggesting? I've been on this forum for 7 years, you've barely been here 3. You've contributed less than 600 posts and you talk about me being a troll? Louisa.

I am actually rather offended by your insinuation I am "trolling" BJL. Just because I believe that certain people buy certain things and consume certain things to look down on those that don't? Surely that's a fact of life. It doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to talk about it on a public forum does it? And yes I do drink wine, and yes I have eaten venison but the difference is some of my previous posts were rather tongue in cheek and taking the Michael out of certain forumites who constantly bang on about street food, posh pies and smoked salmon for breakfast etc etc..Or do I need to explain irony and sarcasm to you? Louisa.

Class is not the issue here. It's about snobbery and pretentiousness. And you're right John, why do these people get so wound up? ED is now using examples of aggression and racism to justify the point that I am a "reverse snob". Chill pill time please everyone, it's only a discussion! I just made a point about burgers based on another post and its turned into an unnecessarily perceived 'class war'. No need for it. Anyhow, my money is now on some awful coffee chain moving into the Callows site. I hope I'm wrong, but I cannot see who else would be able to afford the rent. Louisa.

Excuse me ED? Reverse psychology does not work with me. People eating the smoked salmon are the snobs. I am just a normal person eating my normal breakfast. LondonMix. Poached eggs are delicious, if they are put on top of a slice of toasted and buttered bread and eaten as is. Otherwise it's just snobbery. Cyclemonkey I'm happy with branflakes or a slice of bread and marmalade some mornings too- but poached eggs and smoked salmon is a step into the extremities of outrageous snobbery. Louisa.

I nearly had a coronary after going into a certain unnamed shop locally for a loaf of bread and a jar of pickle. Should have taken out a second mortgage for the privilege. I did on that one occasion pay and enjoy the products I bought, but if I'm being brutally honest they were no more local and no more fresh than anything I've bought at other shops with a less purse 'knockout blow' mentality. LondonMix, it's not just smoked salon and scrambled eggs that are an unnecessary endulgence for the middle classes, it's pretty much anything that comes as a revelation. Burgers were not seen as trendy until the whole fad started up about 7/8 years ago when suddenly the middle classes 'discovered' the burger! Patronising? not half! Louisa.

edhistory was quite rude to me yesterday too, on another thread, and despite a decent reply to a fairly patronising comment I wasn't even given the courtesy of a response. Funny that. Nice looking dill everyone. Louisa

Penguin I agree with your point about shops post Sainsbury's opening being more attentive and offering a better service. But going back to my previous point, there is a reason for this. The demographic changes on the area have meant that the population locally has more disposable income and wants to shop at a high end indy offering good service, ie cost is less of an issue. Louisa.

After night of getting tipsy with a bottle of vino or a case of real ale My last concern is who sourced my burger and whether or not it contains horse and sand. My only concern is how much it bloody costs! I agree W.Bunting sell great cuts of meat and I'd rather give them my business and cook my own burgers than go to some crap 'burger specialist' restaurant who's ripping me off. The middle classes do put a smile on my face with there insincerity about food knowledge. Just cos you've watched a few Jamie Oliver or Nigella program's on tv doesn't make you an expert on good food. It just means you fall for the bull and pay triple the price for the same thing the rest of us eat. These are the types of people who think its acceptable to have smoked salmon and poached egg for breakfast. Snobs. Rant over. Louisa.

I know people if there's a bob or two in it. Louisa.

I don't care aout any horse meat scandel! A burger never has been and should be considered an 'up-market' food product. Anyone who tries to feed you that line about posh burgers knows how to turn a penny into a pound by ripping off people with more money than sense. Blimey it's a burger not a fillet steak! This all goes back to snobbery. A burger is a bloomin burger, regardless of what's in it, once some tomato sauce and mustard is on it who knows or even cares? Its just about snobby people playing the oneupmanship card. 'Ooh I'm going to wear vintage clothes and ironic glasses and go down to some wannabe mockney middle-class market and buy a buffalo burger filled with double Gloucester cheese and act like a real Londonder even though my roots are in Hampshire'. *yawn* Louisa.

Maybe I am, and so is everyone else on here - including those who are blaming Sainsbury's exclusively for the closure of local businesses following the store opening. I have talked many times of my disapproval of certain things about this store, and I'm far from a cheerleader for them, but I don't play the 'lets take a shot at a big high street retailer just for the sake of it' it game either. We are all guessing. But those are my opinions, and I refuse to believe they contributed to any demise in local business which wouldn't have happened anyway. Louisa

Tell me this, when Sainsbury's left Peckham to move to the DKH site, how much footfall do you think Rye Lane lost from the surrounding areas? I would hazard a guess at a lot. And equally! its move to here would have increased footfall for LL and ED in general. Louisa.

Yes they did, the lots of people would agree. All this myth that everyone happily shopped in the small independents back then is a load of tripe. ED was crying out for something other than Gateway as it was then. Louisa.

Yes Lynne of course it was. The area was changing, most of the people in ED back in those days went to Peckam Sainsbury's or Safeway anyway. The move to DKH made little or no difference. Louisa.

Right. Here's my take. Burger from van on retail park = fine Burger cooked at home from any source = fine Burger from fun fair/kebab shop/McDonald's/pub et al = fine What's not fine is... Burger from posh street food stand in snobby market. Far from fine, especially if its within the range of 6/12 quid. Burger from pretentious burger franchise jumping on the burger bandwagon trying to turn a burger into a steak and charging for the privilege. A burger should be served up with a cheap cheese slice, squirty mustard and ketchup and some onions. Back on topic, where exactly is Callows moving to? Louisa.

Exactly DulwichFox. Voice of reason strikes back! If people are willing to pay a bomb for something, it falsely inflates prices. It's a false economy. Especially in a place like this around here. The 'wannabe' element ie can't afford Clapham, arty farty types, they're the ones who encourage the snobbery. Oh, until reality kicks in and the credit card bills start to become unaffordable. Who in their right minds pays ?6 to ?12 for a 'street food' burger that you can get in a burger van for half the price. Ridiculous. Louisa.

Sainsburys didn't damage the local shops here, the area was in transition demographically at the time and certain shops would inevitably close at some point, and they did. Big supermarkets have a bigger impact in small towns and rural areas than they do in London and other major urban centres. Louisa.

The trouble with ED is this. Estate agents have spent years telling us about how the place has 'arrived' and house prices continue to rise etc. This misleading hype then leads landlords of shops to presume that a rate hike will attract bigger, wealthier chains to the area. Aside from the fact LL lacks enough retail space suitable for any such high rent payers and the lack of footfall in what is still a relatively inaccessible area of zone 2, the fact remains that ED is NOT Notting Hill, it is not Richmond, it is not Islington - the collapse in house prices in 2008 and lack of high end spenders in the area indicates to most sensible people this area is often seen as a fairly comfortable area that is quite fragile to any big economic downturns - unlike some safe areas of gentrified London. ED is not the big investors safe haven the estate agents may like you to think it is, and probably never will be! Louisa.

Made in 1972 I think, "we was all one" - this is part one of five parts available to view on YouTube. Gives a very interesting insight into working class culture in Bermondsey/Old Kent Road/Peckham/Walworth/E&C in the post war years after the famous docks had closed, long before gentrification was even a word, this documentary talks directly to the old cockney characters from the area, a part of our social history now almost extinct. Louisa.

Indeed Tylertoes. The police and emergency services are damned if they do and damned if they don't. They don't have the easiest of jobs, and it's easy for a person hiding behind a computer screen to be critical of them in what is under any circumstances a very stressful and emotionally sensitive situation such as this. We do not know the outcome here, but we do know a man had collapsed and was in need of urgent medical attention. And to be frank, considering this is all a fresh situation and we are unaware of the mans health, this is hardly the place to be talking of the rights and wrongs of emergency service resources. I wonder how many of you brave outspoken people behind a computer screen would have the guts to say this to the poor man, his family, and indeed the brave police/ambulance staff who were selflessly trying to help him today. Shameful. Louisa.

Blimey, would ya Adam an eve it? The former Adam and Eve public house on Peckham High Street has become some sort of trendy artisan bakery! My dads favourite local boozer back in the day. Louisa.