Louisa

I can give a second recommendation for http://www.polhill.co.uk/ in Badgers Mount near Orpington. I go a few times a month, not only do they have a dedicated Christmas section, but they also have two restaurants one of which is serving Christmas dinner and other treats from now and throughout December. Louisa.

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Cafe Noodle now boarded up and looks like work in > progress.. > > Any goss on what's going on.? I've not heard > anything. > > Foxy Another chain pizza place foxy. As if we needed another one. http://firezza.com It's all on the Southwark planning portal too. Louisa.

BMW drivers do tend to fit all the stereotypes about narcissistic, self important ignorant people who think the vehicle they're driving gives them some sort of free pass to drive like an arse. If they were that great they'd be driving a proper car like a Ferrari, Aston Martin or Bentley. But we all know that the average BMW driver is a wannabewho can't afford something better. Second rant over. Louisa.

Thread replication in main section. Apologies. Louisa.

This has been covered before, numerous times. But I really think some drivers need to take a fresh look at the Highway Code. When you are approaching a zebra crossing, you should always approach with caution and slowly. I know the roundabout at Goose Green is often busy and it's sometimes difficult to not half pull across the actual crossing point when trying to get onto the roundabout itself, but always approach with caution just in case a pedestrian is already on, or about to cross. Recently seen some horrendous driving, someone almost knocked down earlier as a speeding BMW came around the roundabout from LL heading towards EDR and a pedestrian half way across the crossing had to run at speed for fear of the car not being able to stop. It's just not on, slow down a bit, especially when you're in a 20mph zone. I'm a driver and pedestrian myself so can appreciate both points of view, but there really is no excuse for making a pedestrian have to fear for there safety on a crossing. Rant over. Louisa.

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DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I would not expect Sue to understand or agree with > me on any subject even if I said The Ivy House was > a great place > Sue would simply see DulwichFox and the Ivy House > and assume I was slagging it off. > > Having studied the Turkish language and culture > on a three year course and visiting the country on > numerous occasions > over the last 25-30 years I have a good insight > into the people and their up-bringing. > > I talk to the Turkish community in East Dulwich > in restaurants and have some Turkish friends.. > > We call people from Afghanistan Afghanis not > Afghanistanis. It is grammatically correct. > ..and so is true of Pakistanis.. The abbreviated > version of Pakistani became offensive by it's use > by far right groups. > > When I was a kid.. 1960. on a Sunday my mum > might say. > > "Michael.. we've run out of milk.. can go round > the P**** shop. They'll still be open." > She was not being racist.. offensive. Did not > mean anything. > > We have become obsessed with P.C. there used to > be a road sign .. 'Accident Black Spot. > > https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2528/4225113927_ba7 > 585aabd_z.jpg?zz=1 > > I believe it is now banned.. > > DulwichFox Foxy I do agree the world has become P.C. mad, and I'm sure in certain circumstances the use of certain words is all about context and who is using them. Not every single person using an offensive word is knowingly being nasty about a group of people. However, in this day and age, with everything that has gone on and in the world it would be incredibly naive for an individual who is not part of any said minority, to then use a phrase which has become synonymous with racism and far right groups, and then hold their hands up and say "not me guv", wouldn't you agree? If a Pakistani friend of theirs was getting their haircut in the barbers and they used the phrase to him and everyone laughed it would be an entirely different context, arguably. On the topic of Sue I do have to agree though, every time I say or do anything these days Sue seems to disagree with me for whatever reason. Even when I'm being impassioned on a topic that means something to me. The burger joint 'look at me' thread being a perfect example of this. I dot think she often agrees with me or you on anything. I know it's all fun and games on the forum, but just a genuine observation. Sue, would you like to comment? Louisa.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/article-3927466/A-boutique-hotel-Peckham-Inside-gastro-pub-stylish-rooms-great-food-heart-s-one-south-London-s-hippest-spots.html The review also includes many ED institutions hence why it's posted here. When the Mail is nice about somewhere, does that make it not 'cool' anymore? Louisa.

I do miss Iceland rendel, but I didn't bang on about it. I jumped in my trusted automobile, and ventured down the old Kent road where I have since found a new exciting alternative to the old ED store. It's a shame we can't arrange once weekly free transport (some sort of mini bus?), to the new warehouse store for locals craving an Iceland fix. I know many less agile people who are openly quite jealous about my car trips to the new store. Not that I'm one to gloat. Louisa.

More first world problems. Why not just find an alternative venue which sells the things you miss? I'm losing the will to live reading some of the posts on here today. Going for a lay down. Louisa.

Years ago we had these people called road sweepers, they ventured out to clear paths to prevent accidents etc. It seems we don't have these people anymore. Equally, we don't have good citizens who grab the trusted garden broom and clear the most dangerous bits to prevent minor injury to themselves and others. Isn't common sense a wonderful thing? Louisa.

There is no place for 'locker room banter' (as it has recently and famously been referred to), in this day and age. There's a massive difference between laughing with someone and laughing at someone. Racism, sexism, homophobia, personal remarks about weight, image and disability, why would you want to do that to someone? Why would you want to make someone feel beneath you in some way? I don't understand how someone can bully another person for something they can't change about themselves. It makes me sick to the stomach that someone could be so personal and horrible about someone else. Much like this social media shaming that's become popular. People taking sneaky photos of strangers and posting them on social media to demean that person for a 'joke'. Disgusting. I don't know the specific details about this particular incident, but I can assure you it would be enough for me to recommend Mr Louisa and others not to use their services. Louisa.

If anyone on this forum could grasp the degree to which Hillary was disliked by the American electorate, even a huge swath of her own political party, they may just about be able to grasp how and why a 'reality TV-billionaire-narcissistic-misogynistic etc etc etc' candidate managed to become the 45th president of the United States. ....and that's before we even take on board all the previous points about globalisation, sexism, immigration, racism, scandal etc. She tried twice to become president, failed both times. Isolated many lifelong Democrats on that path too. Louisa.

The great Michael Moore, who told the world they should take Trump seriously and stop with their sneering a good year ago now, has written a fascinating five point plan for recovering from the Trump victory. Here's an article outlining his points, my favourite line from this piece below. https://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/nov/09/michael-moore-donald-trump-morning-after-to-do-list-facebook 'people must stop saying they are ?stunned? and ?shocked?, ?What you mean to say is that you were in a bubble and weren?t paying attention to your fellow Americans and their despair.? Louisa.

malumbu Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > On a separate point I've heard nothing about the > real Americans, ie native American Indians. They > have been shat on for the last four hundred years. > Does their voice count? If their were enough of them in terms of a significant voting bloc, I'm sure we would hear politicians screaming from the rooftops to try and court their vote. Politics always comes down to numbers and concentration of numbers. Let's also not forget the wealthy Latino vote came out in force in states like Florida and Texas to support Trump, 29% of their total bloc vote in fact. Louisa.

rahrahrah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > Except the poorest voted for Clinton in the > majority of cases and the richest for Trump. The > data doesn't support the prevailing narrative. > Whilst I agree that there are major issues with > how globalisation has effected the poorest and in > particular the young, look at who voted Brexit. It > wasn't the under thirties. The problem with > pretending that this was somehow an 'anti-elite' > vote is that it ignores the fact that the most > powerful and affluent people - the likes of > Murdoch for example have been pushing a far right > agenda which is anti immigrant, homophobic and > misogynistic for too long. I'm not dismissing the > real issues that have resulted from the loss of > high paid, blue collar manufacturing jobs. But to > say paint this as a working class revolution is > simply wrong. Too simplistic again rah. The key to this election was the swing states, especially the 'rust belt'. Those without a college degree in Pennsylvania, mostly white, earning less than $35,000 a year, voted for Trump over Clinton 2 to 1. The same happened in Ohio, and I'm sure this could be repeated across these northern states. These are the heartlands for the Democratic Party. These people swung this election, and something similar happened in the north of England in Labour heartlands during Brexit. The situation elsewhere may have been statistically different and I'm sure you could throw those figures at me too, but crucially those figures are irrelevant outside of the all important swing states, particularly in the US Presidential election. Louisa.

rahrahrah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > This wasn't primarily about the working classes > who've suffered under globalisation. Whilst this > may be a part of the story, (there were lot's of > different people voting Brexit / Trump, for lot's > of different reasons of course), the bigger > picture in both cases is one of older, relatively > comfortable, white men, who feel things are worse > today than they used to be. Brexit was trailing > until they focussed relentlessly on immigration. > Trumps campaign was laced with xenophobia and > misogyny. The truth is that this wasn't 'anti > establishment'. It was the result of a successful > campaign by the likes of Rupert Murdoch, viscount > Rothermere, many in the Conservative party and the > ruling elite, over many years. It was a kick back > against progressive social changes which have > sought to erode some of the traditionally white, > male Establishment privilege. We should see it for > what it is - and it's far from a working class > revolution. I'm sorry rah but I couldn't disagree more. By making this alienating assumption, you are falling for the centre left mantra the likes of 'the guardian' love to hammer home with pride, with no solid foundation in reality. Older people of all races and social classes who have experienced life and it's realities, have tended to swing to the right in later life, that's always happened. Nothing new there. The poorest communities of all races have suffered under institutionalised powers from above, nothing new there either. The difference is, manufacturing in the poorest regions has collapsed, and the centre left political parties who used to be the 'go to' destination for poorer communities, has for a number of reasons fallen apart. These people in these places have consistently been failed by the people who they and their parents and grandparents have naturally voted for over decades. The gulf left by the centre left and social democratic parties of the western world has given people like Trump and Farage a free for all on them. As an example, Clinton recently at a rally said she would come down hard on miners and those who produce coal. This is not going to win over a poor family who've lost their livelihood and life as they knew it, they will of course look elsewhere for answers, and did. It's a sad reality that most on the centre left can't acknowledge the above and then look for answers to win these people back. They seem pre occupied trying to justify Trump et al via some 'wealthy white male' loss of power through globalisation. All the time they continue with this rhetoric, people like Trump will soak up disaffected post industrialised communities, the western world over. Louisa.

Salsaboy New Jersey isn't a swing state. This is the whole point that I was making to rendel. We all know that affluent white Americans supported Trump too, that's hardly surprising considering he's been promising tax cuts. I'm sure Dulwich Cillage has many Tory voters but we still end up with a Labour MP come election time. The electoral college is the important thing to remember, notthe popular vote here. The main issue which many people can't understand or won't, is that disgruntled white working class voters in the all important swing and usually Democrat leaning states of the north east in particular, didn't go for Clinton. If they had, you'd have a president elect Hillary today. They went for Trump in numbers they wouldn't usually do for a Republican, because of a whole host of reasons. That's what won him this election, and the centre left need to address this issue. Louisa.

rendelharris Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Louisa, what you say simply isn't the case and is > really quite insulting to the working class whom I > believe you generally support. Of the one third > of Americans who earn less than $50,000 a year, > more voted for Clinton than Trump, for the 2/3 > earning more than that, vice versa. 54% of > college educated white males voted for Trump. > White college educated women were the only white > group who voted in favour of Clinton (and then > only 51% of them). Trump would be delighted to > have people think this is some great uprising from > the deprived heartlands, but in fact it's got just > as much to do with middle class whites who want > lower taxes and to stop paying for Obamacare and > other social security as anything else. I think you are confusing a few variables here rendel. Whilst I agree the white vote, of all socio economic backgrounds vastly swung behind Trump, rich and poor, it was the very poorest 'rust belt' states, which are traditionally Democratic strongholds anyway, which gave him the Electoral College votes he needed ultimately to secure president elect. If you look at Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan etc they have larger white populations, who are overwhelmingly voting Trump outside of major urban districts (the small Andy medium sized mining towns), where the majority of the population are poor and suffering. The swing state small towns ultimately shifted this election in favour of Trump. They were being ignored by Clinton and the Democrats, she didn't even visit some of these states. They took these votes for granted, and allowed the political vacuum to occur. Louisa.

I stayed up all night with a bottle, and was intrigued by the result. The so called 'rust belt' of the north/north east of America is a fascinating comparable with the poorest regions of our own north and midlands. Traditional Democratic heartlands totally disillusioned with four decades plus of economic stagnation, and the collapse of manufacturing. Those northern states swung it for Trump, ethnically white in the main, blue collar and down at heel. When will the political establishment finally wake up to the overwhelming ground swell of despair which has been bubbling under the surface of many, many western democracies? I have to blame the left of centre elites in particular for their continued disconnect with their natural support base, but again, there's something bigger going on and that's not the exclusive issue here. Populists like Farage, Trump, Le Pen and others will continue to take advantage of a political vacuum on the centre ground (left of centre in particular), until a voice can rise to help resolve the slow death of manufacturing, and its aftermath, including the easy scapegoat options for the disenfranchised, more particularly - immigration. Louisa.

Is that the irony light flashing or is someone having a sense of humour fly pass? Oops too late it's gone. Louisa.

I have no idea what 'urban R & B' sounds like, but I presume it has received a relatively warm welcome in this establishment, as it seems busy most days I've walked by. To me, music is music, I don't always want to talk when eating. It's often nice to be forced into not making irrelevant chit chat with people you're probably tired of talking to much anyway. Just being in someone's company enjoying some light entertainment works. This place doesn't appear to be going down the traditional construction workers cafe route exclusively. They're trying something different and I commend them on that. Sure it's not to everyone's taste, but I would happily add my voice to the idea of music whilst eating. Oh and lastly, there's nothing chippy about my post, I was expressing an opinion. Just as you chose to do when you felt the need to tell this cafe you won't be going back in because of the music/television setup, I never called that chippy/tedious or odious, I respected your opinion, maybe you should try that route too Seabag. Happy Sunday. Louisa.

I like to add avocado lettuce and sliced tomatoes to my organic free from dairy streaky bacon sandwich. Maybe some sort of poncy sauce no ones ever heard of on top just to finish off the 'look at me' ingredient mix, and to sound like I know what I'm talking about. Mmmmm, all washed down with some sort of herbal tea. Yum. Louisa.

Sue Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Louisa Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > Not everyone wants > > to hear people bragging about there side return > > extension, or how they spent a fortune on some > > organic veggies at a local farmers market. > > > And where exactly do you go that you hear people > doing this? > > And at what point does somebody talking become > "bragging"? Sue, my point being that a builders cafe having tv or radio in the background is hardly crime of the century. It's been happening for years. Whereas in some eateries, where music is restricted or not played at all, some people feel the need to turn up the volume on their brag-o-meter, and let everyone know about their personal lives. I've heard it in numerous eateries, and it is grating at best. I tend to ban talking about politics, economics and other polarising things at the dinner table, in my own home. Louisa.

Seems to be an obsession these days with some people not liking TV or radio noises in the background, maybe it drowns out the droning exaggerated bragging which often accompanies some people in eateries. I would class Johnnie's as a modern take on an old school builders cafe, and if that's the case, background noise is part and parcel of this sort of venue. Not everyone wants to hear people bragging about there side return extension, or how they spent a fortune on some organic veggies at a local farmers market. Some people are happy with the likes of Magic FM, including me. Louisa.