Louisa

Those irritating and attention seeking posts on social media where someone puts a sad face emoji or a comment along the lines of "ONG can't believe A or B just happened", and then half a dozen people jump in saying "hope you're ok? Xx" or such like, and then the initial attention seeker doesn't even reply - so most of us are still non the wiser! Louisa.

What's a bivalve when it's at home? Louisa.

Tbh if I ran a business and I had regular customers in (be they family, couples or even individuals), I might think twice about pulling them up on something like this. I'd rather lose the custom of some irregular visitors over well paying regulars who I know will be back to spend again. Harsh, but true (if that's the case). Louisa.

I have been on holiday in Spain many times and I agree entirely that continental attitudes to kids in late night surroundings is very different to here in the UK. The old school British attitude (regardless of class), was that kids should be seen and not heard (unless it's in a specific area of the restaurant/pub) and before a specified time in the evening (when a restaurant and pub should be the preserve of adults). I think alongside this cultural shift (which is age based in terms of the parents more so than ever), there has also been a specific ED 'nappy valley' phenomenon going on here too. Many local businesses now rely on the yummy pound, and often times they rely on the parent and child/family custom as much/if not more than they do the exclusive adult market. Management will inevitably be more lenient to this group because end of the day it's their bread and butter. Louisa.

If it is noise we are talking about, then yes you will have drinking and insensitive people regardless of age in restaurants. I don't think you can police parents taking kids into restaurants after a certain time either. It's more about a cultural shift I would suggest. Years ago a parent would never take their kids out after a certain time of night at the risk of offending other diners, simple as that really. It seems, particularly in the last 10/15 years, parents (in general) seem to assume that we all want to hear and be involved in their offsprings temper tantrums and running around in a public setting. I've seen it with my own eyes, mothers in groups allowing children to run around and cause havoc in restaurants and pubs, it's not on. Manners cost nothing. Louisa.

Crap bloody pub. Not s pint of beer in sight. Louisa.

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Louisa Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Foxy do you speak of Nell who used to work at > the > > launderette in Peckham Rye? Biggish lady? She > used > > to babysit or was related to George who ran the > > Oglander in the 80's? > > > > Does anyone remember Tony who drank at the CPT > > throughout the 70's and 80's? He was always > > slightly inebriated (wore glasses with dark > > brown/black hair). May have been some sort of > > civil servant? Oh I do miss the Crystal Palace > > Tavern of old. > > > > Louisa. > > No Lou.. Nell was a Tiny lady possible 90 years > old who used to get bottles of Guinness given to > her which she would hoard behind the bar for later > consumption. She was crafty.. a real diamond.. > She was previously on stage in the theatres when > she was younger.. > > She wore spectacles and one of the lenses was > frosted out as I believe she may of been blind in > that eye. > > The likes of which may never be seen again in > these parts.. > > Foxy Foxy now you mention it, she brings back some vague memories. I never spoke to her, but she was part of the furniture. A real character on a par with Mary at the Castle. All these memories are putting a smile on my face! Louisa.

EDOldie Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I remember Tony well, a regular in the Castle when > I used to work there almost 40 years ago. I'm sure > he worked in the Tax office which was above the > old Iceland in LL? Can't remember who his drinking > pal was though. Thanks Louisa I hadn't thought of > him for years. I shall lift a glass to him later. EDOldie from what found out recently, he is alive and well living in Whitechapel. And yes you are right he was a tax person! Had many long chats with him in the CPT over the years. Think he lived on Darrell RD back in those days. Happy memories! Louisa.

Foxy do you speak of Nell who used to work at the launderette in Peckham Rye? Biggish lady? She used to babysit or was related to George who ran the Oglander in the 80's? Does anyone remember Tony who drank at the CPT throughout the 70's and 80's? He was always slightly inebriated (wore glasses with dark brown/black hair). May have been some sort of civil servant? Oh I do miss the Crystal Palace Tavern of old. Louisa.

So.. Traditional boozer (aka old mans pub) a place that's not been updated in years that might sell pickled eggs and smiths scampi fries with its limited selection of ale. Chain pub (everyone uses these at some point) aimed at everyone sells unfussy usually microwaved food alongside a wider selection of drinks both alocoholic and non- Gentrified pub (for posher types) a menu which is decent but still nothing spectacular and the alcohol selection is varied and wide. Gastropub (for foodie types) is a pub where the food is everything. Still has the appearance of a pub, but it's really second fiddle to the specialised selection and quality of food (aka a restaurant that's been stuck in the frame of a pub). Louisa.

I miss seeing my threads at the top of the main section. How about everyone else? Louisa.

Pubs with serious food? Wtf is serious food? People put way too much emphasis on what is in essence fuel for survival. Give me a rat meat kebab any day of the week over fancy crap served in small portions. Louisa.

White Horse of old did Sunday roasts and other pub grub, but it was informal, traditional and overall didn't appeal to blow in types. Louisa.

I grew up on suet puddings and liver & bacon, no wonder I don't appreciate anything over and above nuts crisps and pickled eggs in pubs. Louisa.

Old Labour. Louisa.

Jeremy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > Unfortunately for some of you, they do serve food > (and soft drinks) as well as beer, and children > have been spotted on the premises during some sort > of yuppie ritual they call "Sunday lunch". But you > can't please everyone. Jez the White Horse has retained its character (for now) but long term I fear for its direction and place. This venue was famous for its homemade Sunday roast dinners long before these people took it on. On the subject of kids, I don't dislike them at all, but I feel a pub should be a space for adults and IF children are allowed in they should be seen and not heard. Unfortunately, lots of yuppy parents do control their offspring and allow them to use the adult space of a public house like some sort of nursery while they eat their food. It's out of order and damn right ignorant. Louisa.

So a former reality TV show star endorses a former reality TV show star. Next? Louisa.

My sex life. Louisa.

Jez you need to visit the Old Apple Tree in Peckham, or the Pyro in Nunhead. They're both traditional pubs but they're welcoming and nice, clean friendly places. I really honestly don't understand or recognise this 10yr old fag and stained carpet stereotype you speak of? If anything, that's what I would expect of a wetherspoons not a privately owned pub where the owners take pride in it. Louisa.

Jah was that filmed in the Lordship when it was still the Mag? Must have been early 90's, those early gentrifying pioneers entering the badlands of ED in search of a do-me-upper. Louisa.

That's pretty much how I feel about Man of Kent since revisiting it over the last few months. When I first entered that pub back in 1976 I never would have dreamt that this little back street watering hole would be one the last traditional boozers standing locally by 2016. Not in a million years. But just goes to show, you never know what the future holds. I know we joke about it now, but in years to come we will be lamenting the demise of working class pub culture, something which as a nation we are renound for. Gastropubs are cleancut, minimalist and food friendly which of course is a major draw, but they lack a sense of reality. Do you think a tourist would rather come to the UK and enter a typical gastropub, or go to a quintessential boozer for a pint? It's unique, it's a memory, a place in time. It's on a par with us Brits going to Rome looking for a little Italian pizzeria and being told they've all closed down but there's a Pizza Hut restaurant just up the road. Louisa.

...Lady Godiva. Louisa.

Mick Mac I always found pool and darts to be really popular social events in pubs, with teams competing from rival pubs. I do not recognise the antisocial aspect of this side of traditional pub culture at all? Pubs more welcoming? How do you reach that conclusion? All I see are people in groups stood around or sat around eating and not letting anyone in or even recognising/conversing with strangers. It's all because incredibly antisocial. Family friendly pubs, for me, means gentrified yummy mummy play centres where they can nurse a coffee or small glass of wine for a couple of hours while their darling offspring run around the pub making it uncomfortable for everyone else. Louisa.

I wasn't referring just to ED. Nunhead a great example. Man of Kent and Pyro, unchanged and still going strong for decades. The Castle, as Otta points out. The Old Apple Tree in Peckham. The few remaining are doing well for themselves. And Jeremy that's rubbish, I can take you or any other forumite to numerous old school pubs out in the burbs. I think certain ED gastro fans are in denial! Let's see how long the latest crop of foody pubs last. Louisa.

Seabag Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Louisa Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Pub culture is alive and kicking in the suburbs > > and beyond, it's just gentrification has wiped > out > > most traditional inner London boozers, because, > > you know, working class people can like it or > lump > > it, who cares if they don't have anywhere to go > > for a drink locally. Sell up and move out, this > > area isn't yours anymore. As long as the > wealthy > > newbies have somewhere to take their prams and > eat > > poncy food that's all that really matters. Now > put > > those pickled eggs in the bin and pass me those > > stuffed olives, this chateauneuf du papp tastes > > shit without them. > > > > Louisa. > > > And gak, that single handedly has fekked up more > establishments than anything I know > It's across the class divide and I've seen many > trad London boozers with their frozen faced > regulars on a Friday nite > > It's hideously boring and I do see it elsewhere > too. I've basically stopped going to places with > anyone in I can honestly say, not one of the local pubs I have been in post about 2008/9 has been any good. No one talks to strangers anymore, it's all closed off little cliques of people (most of which lack characters). It's not just a class issue, it's a crisis of personalities! Phone use needs to be banned from pubs, as well as anything beyond a bag of crisps in the food department. Social facilities such as darts, card games and pool/snooker enhance the social aspect of a public house IMHO. Food just seperates everyone. Why are all gentrified pubs so bloody boring and lacking in atmosphere? It's telling that gastro refurbs locally have tended to fail in the long term once the hype is over, and the rough around the edge ones have lasted decades unchanged. Louisa.