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The woods in COC are very beautiful. Would be terrible to see them destroyed.

A lot of graveyards from this area were designed as arboretums (so Nunhead, Abney Park in N16). Do you know if that was part of the original intention in Camberwell Old Cemetery? The woods look well established to me, rather than accidental.

I've just moved in to the area. The Southwark Woods people might be guilty of hyperbole. But the idea that we should allow Southwark to clear this area for new graves without a fight is ludicrous. Have you walked around the wooded section of The graveyard? It is beautiful, well established woodland and we should fight all the way any plans to scythe it down.

Strange. Has ex-councillor Govier joined the EDF? He certainly likes shooting from the hip like this chap.

I read paragraph 19, last indent in particular, as implying there is scope for review.

This was a consultation, not a plebiscite. And given that the original option of no right turn was dropped, it is clear views had a significant impact and altered the favoured option radically. Councillors in these instances need to balance the interests not just of local residents, but also people who use the road and others such as local schools. On balance I think they've done a decent job, with an option to review if there are significant issues. The status quo is untenable. It's a dreadful junction.

I ran round anti-clock when training for the Marathon too. That's the way locals run (not walk). These bastards run round clockwise before getting in their illegally parked soft-tops.

They have dogs, go round clockwise and don't do picnics.

The cars getting ticketed were parked down the middle of the road at the main entrance. All of them deserved a ticket. Dulwich Park was weird yesterday. Few dogs, not many locals, lots of cyclists.

Did you go to any of the presentations a month ago? Lots of detail there. Can't find a link though. Basic idea was to link Greendale to St Francis park and to DKH woods, including with a green walk though the housing development. There were also plans to improve the green space on Greendale, with the new stadium broadly where the AstroTurf currently sits.

"It's a wonderful patch of green and space and light" As I said, over egging. It's a seldom used dog lavatory, which would be enhanced enormously by the current plans for developing the area.

Transpontine is a Roman/Latin term for over the bridge I think. So South London The Tuscany reference refers to an objection to the building of the current stadium, back in the 80s. An objector said it would compromise the view up Champion Hill, which he in turn he compared with Tuscany. Similar contemporary issues now of course where some are objecting to the planned development of a new stadium by over-egging the importance of an unlovely and seldom used piece of scrub land

I buy my tyres from Evans. That's about it. Hadn't heard that before Mlteenie, but wouldn't surprise me at all. The one next to Condor lasted just over a year from memory, so hopefully Balfe's and yer man in Bellenden can see them off

Similar attempted mugging on Lyndhurst Grove se15, 6:20 this morning.

You're right the club would be under serious threat. I hope this is game of brinkmanship from Southwark and not a geunuine disregard for Dulwich Hamlet's future. the club nearly collapsed last year, before Hadley stepped in. Now I'm not naive about the intentions of property developers, but it seems to me there is a negotiation here which can deliver some much needed housing locally, a secure future for the club and a much enhanced Greendale space. But Southwark need to engage seriously and stop posturing about the sanctity of Metropolitan Open Land. they seem to have quite happy over the years to let Greendale fester and overgrow, as you'll know if you've walked over there.

Yes I know it's not part of Southwark's plan. They have wilfully ignored the option. Not really an option for Dulwich Hamlet to stay where they are and thrive. If that's the only option, then the club is at serious risk. The notion that Greendale is a precious wildlife habitat is vastly overblown, as the council's own study shows. It could be though if developed sensibly, ideally with Hadley cash.

The plan isn't to upgrade the pitch: it's to rip it out, put a 4G pitch in and place a modest sized stadium around it; all for community use too. So a real county asset alongside Greendale as a public green space, which we can all enjoy.

The real concern is that the plans wilfully ignore the potential for a sustainable future for Dulwich Hamlet FC on the site. Not the bit where the hedgehogs roam, but on the crappy all weather pitch. And yet there's no mention of the big issue in the consultation. Do the Friends of Greendale have a view on the future of Dulwich Hamlet? Or is it a secondary concern for you.

Are you mad?

You make good points. I think any solution involves encroachment of the new stadium onto the all weather pitch. But not entirely. Improvements and enhancements to Greendale an essential aspect of any development

MoneyKelly I have sympathy with your views. Greendale could be improved hugely, without de-naturing it (indeed by enhacing its biodiversity) and linked up to other green areas such as DKH wood. Preserving everything as is is the option that most concerns me. My interest is primarily as a DH supporter, but also a user of Greendale (dog walking).

There's a not entirely clear map here http://www.london.gov.uk/thelondonplan/images/maps-diagrams/jpg/map-3d-3.jpg But below on pg 75 is a more detailed map for the area concerned. OS128 is Greendale, including the all weather pitch http://www.southwark.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/6877/southwark_open_space_strategy_2013 Interesting report all round. There's lots of open land about. But its under utilised (as with Greendale imv).

Lots of straw men out there today. Shall we see what's proposed before settling on a view?

It would be a rather novel approach to planning and development to look only at the East Dulwich economy in judging what level of new housing was needed. We all live in London and London needs new houses. There's a huge issue about affordability and about local services. But these can be considered and lobbied for as part of the of the development process. I think anyway the idea that we can't cope with more people is over-stated and can be planned for over the time of this development. GP surgeries are an acute problem with or without this development. I'd just like it for once if people could view this as an opportunity for the whole area. My first concern is the health of the club. But if this is done right everyone can benefit.

I suggest we all wait to see the initial plans first. Seems to me there's a possibility here of a significant three way benefit for the area: more houses, desparately needed in London and our part of it; a secure future for the football club, the beating cultural and spiritual heart of East Dulwich ; and the potential to develop Greendales into a community open space, while enhancing its contribution to local biodiversity. I undersrtand the qualms about pressure on local services, and clearly any housing development needs to be proportionate. The fetishisation of Greendale however confuses me. I use the space quite a lot. It has enormous potential. But at present is overgrown, unlovely and rarely used by locals. I would not want to see it built upon. But if a new stadium design required some encroachment onto the ugly poor-condition all weather pitch, and there was a quid pro quo to enhance the green space as a genuine space for community use, then that in my eyes would be a positive development. If investment can be levered out of Hadley to develop the space to enhance its utility for locals and wildlife (eg local growing, better bio-diversity, link up with DKH Wood) then this would be a huge boost to the area. This is where pressure should be brought to bear on Hadley. But my fear is we will get an unthinking lobby to preserve things how they are, losing a huge opportunity.