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I suggest we all wait to see the initial plans first. Seems to me there's a possibility here of a significant three way benefit for the area: more houses, desparately needed in London and our part of it; a secure future for the football club, the beating cultural and spiritual heart of East Dulwich ; and the potential to develop Greendales into a community open space, while enhancing its contribution to local biodiversity. I undersrtand the qualms about pressure on local services, and clearly any housing development needs to be proportionate. The fetishisation of Greendale however confuses me. I use the space quite a lot. It has enormous potential. But at present is overgrown, unlovely and rarely used by locals. I would not want to see it built upon. But if a new stadium design required some encroachment onto the ugly poor-condition all weather pitch, and there was a quid pro quo to enhance the green space as a genuine space for community use, then that in my eyes would be a positive development. If investment can be levered out of Hadley to develop the space to enhance its utility for locals and wildlife (eg local growing, better bio-diversity, link up with DKH Wood) then this would be a huge boost to the area. This is where pressure should be brought to bear on Hadley. But my fear is we will get an unthinking lobby to preserve things how they are, losing a huge opportunity.

I notice they have now blocked off the entrance on the Greendale path side of the space. You can still get in via DKH Woods. But only I think because someone has removed some of the new fencing put there. Anyone know why this is? There's so much potential for that space. And with planning it could help Dulwich Hamlet too.

This season ?10, ?5 concs., children ( u12) free. It has indeed been a great season. A truly great club.

But Otta people such as Brain-opera's husband have not Co-opted the club. They've embraced it, its history and its old fans. That's what's been truly heartwarming about the Hamlet's resurgence: the unity and the joy in supporting the club. It is a lot stronger than it was when I first started going seven years ago. And in troubling times this is very necessary. If you were there yesterday with 1400 others you could easily avoid the noisy madness behind the goals. The Toilets opposite stand is fairly sedate and the main stand positively respectful. The Hamlet is for everyone and all life is there. That's why we should all love it.

Five years ago, Southwark parents would have fallen to the floor weeping tears of joy that Haberdasher's were prepared to open a school in Southwark. So stop pissing and moaning and thank James Barber and co for their gargantuan and selfless efforts. Instead of a crappy half arsed GP surgery we're about to get a top notch secondary school.

It seems the justification is commercial, nothing to do with the fans. You're creating a straw man.

You think the club deserves relegation because of this. I hope you're joking. The club is part of this area's heritage. Its interests come before a cheap car wash that's been there five years.

> What a load if tosh people getting soaked waiting > at the turnstiles I've never seen a queue for the > football. Then you've never arrived after 2:45 of a Saturday to see the mighty Hamlet. If it's any consolation, the terracing abutting the car park is known as "The Car Wash End" and will remain so, whatever the outcome of the current quarrel.

the man with a van Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Lady d the cyclists pay so much tax do they have > insurance no do they pay a road fund licence no do > they for fuel no the facts every thing you buy in > the shops or buy online is delivered by those > dirty vans or dirty lorries not not cyclists or by > wind powered boats or solar cars I love that this post was edited two minutes after posting. Man With a Van clearly wrote and posted it. but on further consideration wasn't entirely content with the syntax and grammar so amended accordingly.

Isn't the issue here about restricting cycling in Dulwich Park?

" still see no reason why all dogs shouldnt be muzzled in public areas." Because it's cruel and disproportionate? I've been bitten once and while out running, by a bull terrier on Burgess Park. Nasty, but very rare indeed.

An awful lot of that park is dogs on leads though. Some of it unnecessarily. It is one of my least favourite parks in the area because so much of it is regulated and managed. The number of signs forbidding various activities, with the cafe area as the apotheosis, is ludicrous.

I don't think there are any areas on or outside the circular road where you can't let your dog off the lead. Ridiculous that you can't have your dog off the lead in all areas of the park really. If you are afeared of dogs, Dulwich Park really isn't for you.

Sometimes pedestrians use the cycle lanes, so eg on the New Kent Road. This forces cyclists to use the pavement. My point is I think cyclists and car drivers should bury the hatchet and recognise our true mutual enemy: pedestrians, the I-zombiefied cotton-clad idiots.

Local park would not have been Warwick Gardens, which was houses then. Could be Lucas Gardens, five minutes walk up Peckham High Street. The gardens to an old asylum, now a public park. Talfourd Road is rather well heeled these days, although less so at the end where you lived! Lots of big houses, some of which sell for over ?1m. Various famous artists live or have lived there, including Anthony Gormley (now gone) and Tom Phillips. You have Camberwell Arts College at the bottom of the road, which I guess explains why that's so. But pretty gritty too. The riots in Peckham a few years back started with a bus being set on fire at the junction of Talfourd and Peckham High street!

Attack of the Mad Axeman, no irony! His best work is on UFO's Strangers in the Night (Lights Out, rock bottom). Paradigm shifting stuff!

uncleglen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I like Meshuggah- the drums on Bleed are > phenomenal. Yes, Tomas Haake is ridiculoulsy good. Guitarists too, but not sure the greatest. Now what about the ultimate Axe Man: Michael Schenker.

Gilmore and Richard Thompson certainly. Michael Akerfeldt is pretty damn good (Opeth). And this dude Guthrie Govan, who's been playing with Steve Wilson recently

brain_opera Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > My husband is the one waving the voodoo stick. Your husband is a star.

And the kid who gets in opposition keepers' heads, when he's not playing the cow bell. An awesome young fellow.

After the thrills of last season, I thought this season would be consolidation at best. But the whole Hamlet experience has got better. The team is punching well above what you'd expect given how cash-strapped the club is. The quality of football play is top notch (harrow's manager said at this level he'd never seen football played like Hamlet play). And the atmosphere is superb: Friendly, noisy, mad We are very lucky to have such a club.

Yes, elsie is a bugger. Also Benhill in Camberwell, heading towards Vestry road. Bone rattling, with tramlines as an added extra.

Sheldrake! He is a pseudo scientist http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2013/11/06/the-bbc-and-chopra-buy-into-woomeister-rupert-sheldrakes-galileo-syndrome/ Here's a comprehensive debunking of his telepathic dogs http://barenormality.wordpress.com/2011/04/22/rupert-sheldrake-and-the-psychic-dog/

And this thread has passed to the other side. Let us hope it rests in peace. Barbara, baaaarbara....

I have. I don't think you have though.