Well there's that. But I'm talking in the immediate. Those who are already on benefits, how do they eat until such time as they've improved themselves? And how do you factor in for unemployment levels? And as a matter of fact, what these kids (& adults) did, while awful, for the most part wasn't murder, rape, paedophilia. But we're ok with people convicted of those crimes getting benefits right? This petition is idiotic. It's knee-jerk, and I don't mind that so much, I think we're all pretty fucking angry right now, but that's why I'm glad I don't get to pass sentence, because if I did I'd have them all in leg irons breaking rocks.