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Have we even mentioned the atrocious WhatsApp messages between Baker/Dorries/Fysh and co last night? Absolute away with fairies, rats in a sack, nonsense

"Well...obviously a very fundamental misalignment of respective perspectives... " Just to be clear - is this a reference to the differences between, say, you and me? Or is it a reference to the red-wall voters vs the like so you and Steve Baker?

5 years of this shit All that is left is deserved mockery. Sooner we put this behind us we can get back to normality Thanks for the input tho

That cbi speech is just awful isn?t it? Pie in the sky libertarian daydreaming. Just as awful as the worst corbyn wet dream But even if you think it?s the bees knees, it?s hard to argue it?s what the ?never voted before, voted labour all my life but voted to get Brexit done and believe Johnson?s levelling up ? voters in Rotherham are four-square behind

from a twitter post by @RavinAnenden ? Lord Frost's resignation exemplifies a pattern among all the loud sovereignty purists: upon realising that there are difficult trade-offs inherent in their own choices, they pack their bags and leave, blaming others for the self-inflicted mess.?

I?d say it?s more ?being paid by the mail for oppiniunz? than it is Glenda being an MP/movie star

nor has he heard that a resurgent LibDem vote is historically aligned with Labour doing well but then again - it's Dan Hodges. He is astonishingly dim

Tories are saying "he's on a final warning" But in reality... there can't be long if they want to win next election. If election is in 2024 there are 2 more years of Johnson with all that that entails - they surely don't want that But if they do want someone else leading them by next election they have to make the change soon and embed WhoEver in good time But even in doing that, that's the 4th leader of the ELECTED party we will have had in nearly as many years - can they honestly claim to rule the country until 2024? (and that's before you get into the further realities of Brexit hitting, Scottish indie calls yada yada) Whole thing looks shaky as to me

Objectively, even allowing for the astonishing swing/historical significance of the vote etc, it is JUST a by-election (albeit a self-inflicted one) Governments have suffered these before and gone on to win However - given my posts earlier in this thread, I clearly think it's the moment when all the hot air, boosterism, lies, whatever you want to call them, have been called out and things could happen very quickly now Maybe Christmas break will be in Johnson's favour. But the coalition that got him here is unlikely to relish limping on for another 2 years

Whilst the future of the NHS, it's structure and the govt intentions are all up for debate - I don't think anyone is knocking the NHS, the people who work there or the job they do jazzer?

?It?s been a couple of years. Shall we Brexit this bit now?? ?Christ no. Are you mad???? https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/dec/15/uk-delays-brexit-checks-on-goods-entering-from-ireland?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Let?s check in on this bonkers Brexit bonanza https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/the-trade-revolution It?s almost impossible to read without cringing. To think this is how leavers see themselves when the reset of the world are all too aware of how exposed they are Still. 10, 20, 50 years from now, I?m sure the descendants of Rees-Mogg, Mordaunt and co will have proven Cat right and me wrong. And there won?t have been any casualties to speak of along the way. Some yes. Goes without saying. But not many in the scheme of things

Nice try

I love this thread right now

Obscene, yes Unpredictable, no This clownshow was always going to fall apart The characters, the single principle holding those characters together, the absolute joke of a leader All of this was always going to happen

The less brexit UK does, the less pain caused Still. So far in the credit column we have? um? Large part of the public still against reversing Brexit - wonder how long that will survive the black hole implosion that will be the demise of this govt Labour very much ?not rocking the boat?. But do any leavers think they will be more Brexity, regardless of what they say now?

seabag - it''s a very simple equation Take the number of children you DON'T know about but suspect might exist Double it Take that and multiply it by the number of days since the story broke a Take that and add RND() between 2 and 10 Voila

A bit of stern talking is what's required to whip the ungrateful US and EU into shape. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59597310 But she already knows the reality "When asked why further talks with the US weren't happening before 1 January, Ms Trevelyan said the US chose to have a discussion with the EU first because it was a larger trading partner." But yes a govt composed entirely of sub-par nonentities (waves at Gisela Stuart in her new appointment yesterday) spectacularly ill suited to wielding any power (and who only HAVE power because of a delusional devotion to Brexit) are somehow going to, with the benefit of decades, usher in a glorious Brexit future "Ah but we agree these politicians are shit, but the idea is sound and with a new broom, you'll see the benefits. Give it years, decades even. Yes many of us may be dead but..." etc etc Communism or Brexit redux

maybe I shouldn't have used the exact phrase "EU trade" you say - "there may be additional pressure on UK from different lobby groups" - UK employees might well question promises made by UK govt if they are worse off than EU counterparts. That is significant no? Either Uk complies/follows EU rules (rules they had no say in drawing up) or they don't and break promises to increase workers wages/security for UK workers - so where is the benefit?

it's a shame the likes of CH only view it as what is good for the party and not the country (coupled with the whiff of covid denial - "at a time when hospitalisations and deaths are falling," is a weird thing to say as the whole world is worrying and dealing with Omicron (and is also the rallying cry they have used before last 2 waves of deaths)

An example of why we are linked to EU trade in ways we aren't quite so much with other side of the world Only now we have no say Of course, in Brexitland, we can trust UK govt to come up with an even better plan for these employees https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/dec/09/gig-economy-workers-to-get-employee-rights-under-eu-proposals

"But to say Boris is a joke is a bit laughable really. " Still love this line - even when the joke is on us

This from a year ago, and some of the responses, hold up pretty well I think /forum/read.php?20,2093860,2174204#msg-2174204

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We can all agree now surely? "NO - he isn't, and never was, fit to lead"