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Car rental companies in Ibiza advise you to leave your car unlocked at beach car parks etc.. Opportunistic thieves Thieves will rummage through, find nothing and then bugger off. But won't damage the car itself. I'm not suggesting this for London - unlike a small island, stolen cars can be hidden and dealt with. But I wonder if leaving glove boxes open is a prudent start down that route...

As Strafer said, the right hand side is just shelves of old pasta - and every supermarket sells countless varieties of De Cecco and Seggiano stuff now that it's hardly deli worthy. Delis rarely survive without being a coffee shop/resto/wine bar foremost. The nice fresh produce is all expensive, perishable and fiddly. The dried stuff is ubiquitous. The right hand side has those great windows, perfect for a cafe.

It's a real shame that Rightmove/Zoopla/Prime Location don't make it easier for people to list their homes privately? Places like ES and Gumtree are more for renters. But people hunting to buy a flat or home will most likely use those sites. I could easily whizz round with an iPhone camea, write a description, dig out my floorplan from when I bought it (and photoshop out the agent logo) - and do the viewings and negotiation. It's not a high skill job by any means. I wish Rightmove etc were more open to this with a flat fee for listing. 2% on a 750k sale is 15k for example - which could be the difference between tiers of LTV on your next mortgage, or a good whack of stamp duty (another robbery). Are there any people who've bought or sold privately, and how did they do so?

I'm not Irish, so I suppose I should shush. Shame that one can only comment on matters pertaining to a group/nation/issue if they belong to it.

Ted Max Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Salt of the earth spelling of cin?ma, there, Lou. > Verite. Je t'aime Ted Max.

Cities evolve, and peoples change. The Irish just aren't a prominent 'minority group' to be catered to in this day and age. They've returned or died out, and their later generations who stayed here have basically become British over the years. Go to Kilburn, it's barely Irish any more, and if that isn't, you know it's over.

Agreed on tbe above. If you are on public transport, Denmark Hill/Peckham Rye - Victoria - Hammersmith - Heathrow is by far and away the best. Paddington requires the slow Bakerloo and to head more north than needed. Plus the Heathrow Express is expensive. And Paddington is probably quicker via Victoria and Oxford Circus anyway.

Oggy, I found it interesting and exactly what the board is about. Ignore the coal-digging chicken eaters and tedious class obsessives.

As I said, buses aren't taxis or dial-a-rides. Hence the term network.

Agreed that these tickets can be ignored (have seen enough Watchdog to know!) - but could somebody be banned from parking in Sainsbury's instead? Or indeed, banned from Sainsbury's even on foot?

Not all buses are full or equal in demand. I wouldn't replace them 1:1 either. And I never brought up Lordship Lane - this thread is about Elephant and I was talking about the duplication of buses down Walworth Road. I grouped the buses together in similarity, hence 40/176, 68/468 and 35/45. I know where they go. But there's an expectation that buses are like taxis and should go from everywhere to everywhere in one ride. Although I do concede that transfers shuold be free, like on the tube, but the fact is that buses are running empty on a lot of routes and oversubscribed. Go look at Oxford Street for example. Walworth Road can be similar.

miga Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Zebedee Tring Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > And I'm not getting into the old boring working > > class/ middle class argument that is so > prevalent > > on this MB. Bad, inconsiderate behaviour is > > unacceptable, regardless of race, colour, > creed, > > class, sexual orientation etc. > > Some posters seem to think there are immovable > definitions of good and bad behaviour - but social > interactions and "manners" are deeply influenced > by culture. What's happening on Rye Lane is that > one subsection of society is interacting with > others who by the looks of it have been there > longer. Interesting to see gentrification in > action. This is very carefully worded. Applaudably so. Let's be frank now: Do you think some people believe it racist to criticise the practices of the afro hairdressers in regards to weaves and hair on the streets? Or are those practices excusable/vindicated on a cultural basis somehow? Does Peckham Rye being (culturally) majority African mean that African cultural norms have hitherot trumped British ones? I'm curious on your thought process with this as it's crossed my mind too - it is the elephant in the room, as it were...

I meant the 40 and 176, and 35 and 40. Mainly thinking the Walworth Road stretch and the London ends. No need for so many buses from Elephant to London Bridge or Waterloo. I do like ED and I am fine with buses. I'm glad they exist for those who use them, anyway. I would rather less routes, with higher frequency (35 and 176). Do you like the volume of buses down the Walworth Road and what it does to traffic levels, speed, cyclist safety, the visual environment and air quality?

A few things there - firstly, no mention of the NR station at all, which is dire and terribly connected. They need to incorporate that a bit better, although I appreciate that is probably tied to the fortunes of the shopping centre. I do like the idea of making the crossings easier, especially to reach the Bakerloo. Would wonder about traffic levels with the roundabout gone though. Moving the bus stop for all Camberwell buses to Walworth Road is a bit of a pain - it's very handy currently from the NR/Northern line stations currently but is a little bit of carnage I suppose. The new stops would be easily accessible from the horrid HR exit and turning right - again not publicised. Shame they can't do something decent along those arches. The pavement surface is terrible too. They need to address the amount of buses - too many routes, half of which are empty and duplicative. The 40 and 45 don't need to exist, simply beef up the 176 and 35 and consolidate a bit. Same with 68/468. Traffic around Camberwell, Denmark Hill and up to Elephant is all down to too many buses. Cycling options look good, option B especially.

aquarius moon Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > cle Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Louisa, isn't eating fried chicken ok on the > bus > > because it's more like to be done by black and > > working class people? As opposed to getting > > macaron crumbs everywhere? > > > What a ridiculous comment. > > It's got nothing to do with colour or class. It's > about having consideration and respect for other > people. But class and socio-economics are very important in relation to the area and public etiquette, no? So double buggies and flat whites = bad in all scenarios Lamb patties, hand me down prams and watermelon eating = virtuous

Louisa, isn't eating fried chicken ok on the bus because it's more like to be done by black and working class people? As opposed to getting macaron crumbs everywhere?

I think people are obsessed with a new line taking over a National Rail line, and freeing up space for more overland trains. The fact is that the Bakerloo is not like the Victoria line. It's slow, twisty and with closely spaced stops, it's more suited to being an inner city route, like a Paris metro line. Terminating at Lewisham or Catford, or Crystal Palace, or similar, is fine enough in terms of distance. Zone 4/5 people shouldn't have to switch to a tiny tube.

chattyman Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Last night it was quiet for balls of hair and > children, Monday was HELL on EARTH, I wonder what > this evening will bring. I look forward to tonight's rogue weave update with aplomb.

Penguin68 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > how those that don't use the buses for commuting > know so much about who is on them > > If you don't use buses to commute, then probably > if you do travel on them it will be out of > commuter time (i.e. when you're not at work) - in > which case the demographic described is probably > fairly acurate - i.e. almost by definition > excludes those going to or coming back from work. > > > It's fairly common (and normally unsound) to > extrapolate rules or models based just on your own > experience - but we all do it (particularly it > often seems on this forum!) Yep precisely. I do use buses, but not for time critical journeys where I have a set deadline or appointment. They're not reliable enough. Hope ???? enjoyed his ride with Joe Punchclock of the post room. ;-)

Exactly, I'm not being snobby - it's obvious that buses serve a different demographic as Jeremy mentions: the elderly, school kids, those with kids, those not in a hurry, lower income groups due to bus pass prices, better for the disabled etc etc - commuters in peak hours I would not count among these. 'Get up earlier' is a straw man, not an actually meaningful solution to travel issues. Otherwise, why not all just walk everywhere?

It might be a bit better at weekends if the Blackfriars train went through via Kings Cross, which would give a few more options. The bus is not a substitute, it's unpredictable, uncomfortable and not everybody has a spare hour to sit in traffic. Different demo though, so happy for buses to continue for their purpose.

Can they both not exist? Close yes, but very different catchments. Although it would lessen the case for the Bakerloo coming this direction! But would be a relatively easy one. Maybe if the Bakerloo tracks do head to Burgess Park, they could have a Walworth Rd station at least before turning off towards Old Kent Road. It wouldn't help ED that much, but might be easier and quicker to connect from bus to Bakerloo there than the awful current Elephant arrangements.

Agreed on both cinemas surviving ok. One is a cheap and dirty 'blockbuster and out' (excellent for cheap 3D films too), the other will be more of an experience, with the bar, better service etc... How about we let the market decide rather than doom everything off the bat... especially with rubbish weekend train services (and none to the West End), the more diversions in the local area for leisure time, the better.

The buses around Camberwell and up the Walworth Road alone make the case for this - must be about 10 different routes! I saw plans for the Old Kent Road route, which is quicker to New Cross which I think was the big aim. Perhaps Camberwell and Peckham could be served by a shorter branch and the whole line could have two halves? Even if we only had 12 trains per hour (Bakerloo is 24) that would still be a great improvement. And don't the lines at Elephant already extend some way down the Walworth Road?

God people are callous. Can you not keep your backhanded, snide advice to yourselves for once? Every burglary or mugging thread has a passive-aggressive insinuation of blame. Leaving your coat on a chair in a library isn't the same as leaving it on the table of a pub! 9 days out of 10 it would be fine, but this was just bad luck.