Alan Dale

1. To create an impression (now hopelessly outdated) of 'exclusivity' - No one thinks that. 2. To put people off doing coke in cubicles. - They don't stop you doing coke as long as you tip. 3. To stop people having sex in cubicles. - See point 2. 4. To keep the toilets clean. They do indeed. They also give out aftershave and chewing gum but I expect you've got your own bottle of Joop in your man-bag *Bob*.

Asset- I think it's pretty obvious. Imagine working in a really busy bar with bar staff paid a flat hourly rate (minimum wage no doubt) then how would you feel about serving as many people as you could as quickly an courteously as possible. Now contrast that with the same situation but where each time you served someone you picked up 50p or a quid. Which bar would provide the better service do you think? Then it just comes down to whether you value good service and if so how much are you willing to pay for it.

It's just a fact that if they are getting tipped for serving they will serve more people. It's an incentive. Furthermore, if they are pleasant and courteous then they are likely to get bigger tips. I have no problem paying for good service- you rarely get it for free.

You'd rather see the cost of service and toilet cleaning fully absorbed into the price of drinks? Fair enough - I suppose it's a matter of preference. Personally I prefer tipping bar staff as it incentivises good service. I also don't mind toilet attendants as they keep the toilets clean. I certainly wouldn't be intimidated by them.

You are just too tight to tip *Bob*. Don't blame you - could be 6 months until you sell your next ditty.

Not as bad as poor service and dirty toilets.

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You don't have any legal right to park outside your house and nor should you in my opinion. One of the reasons for the success of LL is that shoppers can easily park in the streets around the Lane. I believe that the needs of the pedestrian and public transport local majority should be put first. You should also prioritise the needs of local traders. Again, subordinate the needs of local resident drivers to these. Traders' needs may be very similar to those of the local pedestrian majority, because if they don't get the free short term parking provisions they need, locals may lose their beloved local shops.

See link for a previous discussion of the same nature.... http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?5,16999,17418#msg-17418

Good recommendation. Loved the soft shell crab rolls.

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Meant for the lounge:- I had my last ever birthday party when I was 18. Some people have one for their 21st. Ok. Absolutely last forgivable birthday is 30th but I really don't know why you'd want to do it. I can't stand the whole 'but you have to it's my birthday' attitude. If you ever find yourself saying something to that effect then you should take a step back and give yourself a serious dressing down. Agreed?

What is interesting is that the 'left wing' of the ED forum appear to have triumphed on this thread (ie no one seems to be claimg the Tories are electable with any success) but seem to be losing the debate on the thread about City Bonuses. To me that sums up DavCam's failure. There are lots of people out there who have seemingly 'right wing' views on many issued yet the Tories have no idea how to get to these people and harvest their votes.

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