VeryBerryCherry

so you can't taste the alcohol and still get tw*tt*d >:D

Brendan Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > If you haven't got out of bed yet you're allowed > to start as early as you want. *does a little jig of glee and reaches into the side table for the bottle of Havana and a straw"

Those that like to "fix" troubled men... Along the lines of, Oh he's a bad egg (or a womanizer... blah, blah, blah) but "I will be the woman to change him!"

Don't they usually appeal to those "fixer" women out there?

and counting... Can you still start drinking if you haven't left your bed yet?

Brendan Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > What is this world coming to if I man can?t wear > tights and still hold his head proud? > Surely only a man comfortable with who is is and his 'masculinity' can man-up in a pair of tights. If in doubt, watch Tim Curry in Rocky Horror.

You're a Score-chio aren't you, Asset? The two most 'misunderstood' signs in the the Astrological Kingdom. I think that's why they tend to get on so well. I too have lots of Scorpio friends - we are 'old souls'. B)

Yeah, I'm with the Metal Dog, Chuff on this one. I'm a Virgo and a metal Monkey http://bshistorian.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/monkey.jpg I have done my own reading into stars signs and the more interesting and significant stuff is how it all fits together. I don't read my daily horoscopes, unless I really want to know exactly how I have failed to make friends, influence people or win the lottery with my "lucky" numbers from Sceptic Peg. However, natal (birth charts) seem to me scarily accurate. I suppose it's like palm reading, and it al depends on whether you believe all that too. The natal chart is like a map of your personality, it doesn't tell you what is going to happen in your life, just how, based on the time and place of your birth, you are pre-disposed to act in your life. I don't think it's always set in stone, the same as the nurture debate. Just because your parents smoke doesn't mean you will, etc... However, I find that when someone says that their personality doesn't match up to their generic sun sign, it's usually due to a pattern in their other signs. The sun signs is an overarching (like the suns movements) description f your personality, but the sun can be affected by all kinds of things. Your rising sign is how you come across to others; it's your initial 'face' to the outside world. You moon is your emotional sign, your Venus you love and relationships and Mars, your action and anger... etc... When you piece it all together, it's surprising how accurate they can be. I have read into a lot of this and Chinese astrology, which has many similarities, along with other forms of astrology, which does make for interesting reading. But I suppose that's no different to many religions sharing certain tenets and figureheads. But like someone said, this isn't asking you to change your life and believe in some kind of deity. It's interesting because it was treated much like a "science" in the deep and distance past and was consulted concurrently with religion, kings and queens based their decisions on what the astrologer "saw" in their future based on the stars. The way I see it, it's harmless, if you believe in it, you are not hurting anyone and you life isn't going to change that dramatically - unlike some factions of religious groups. I see it more as a "psychology" learning about yourself and learning about how to react and deal with other people. For example, have you ever not got on with someone only to find out their star sign and think, Oh that makes sense, he's an Aquarius (as a Virgo we always seem to have trouble). You then realise that he's not being difficult, they are usually quite shy, despite their love of people, and doing the typical Aquarian thing of coming across as aloof. All I needed to do was spend more time with him and get past that exterior until he felt more comfortable around me - and bingo! Also, whatever your sign do you ever find that you surround yourself with friends and acquaintances with particular signs? You may not even know when you meet people, but you then find out that your new best friend at work is another Aries, or the person you dislike in the office is a Cancer - again!

Yes, you will be having the pleasure of their company for at least 28 years, minus a 3-year gap at uni. Where you both get a taster of freedom... and then get to be incarcerated with one another fo a further 5 years while they pay off their uni fees (get drunk most night's because you've given them free board).

I am a Virgo and I'd like to start by picking a couple of holes in your argument.... :))

David Mc Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Have a gander at some of the opinions expressed > here!! Though it might be better off in the jokes > section.... > > http://www.freethoughtpedia.com/wiki/Funny_theist_ > quotes Oh my LORD!!!

PeckhamRose Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Everybody says join our religion get to Heaven > I say no thanks why bless my soul > I'm already there!" > > But for me, having worked in a funeral directors > and seen a lot of deceased people, sorry if I > upset anyone but I've seen the crazy things people > do to their deceased relatives in the name of > religion. We're meat. The animals know it and > would have us if we were in the desert or in the > forest. And we're certainly more useful as their > dinner. But to discuss "soul", oh who knows. I'm > not counting on it. I think that it is incredibly scary letting go of the idea of life after death, particularly personally coming from a Catholic upbringing. However, I think it's also the most liberating thing you can do. It's almost impossible to grasp, I won't deny that the thought of there being a point when I am not a part of this world, scares the living bejesus out of me. The best thing to do is to not to think about it - after all, you won't when you're dead. The person who your death affects least is you! Then you can really appreciate the world and it's beauty (and ugliness) for what it is. Not waiting around till something "better" comes along, or swotting form some Afterlife A-level.

Yeah the "grandparent" issue IS a toughy. I know Mother VBC won't say it. But my 'rentals have lived on the same terrace block with the same families for nearly 30 years, where there are three other familes with daughters... Well, I'm the last one and one of them, my best friend had a little boy only a few months ago. Now I know she won't say it out loud (for fear of a beating!(JOKE!)) but I can see "the look" that accompanies comments like, "Oh, i'm practically a grandma now!". She can stay "practically a grandma" until my 19 yr old brother or sister decide to cough up some sprogs. But being the elder daughter always gets those kind of comments. You're the first in line, especially when it comes to cousins and the extended family. She also just happened to drop into the conversation the other day, that my 17 year old cousin that I babysat on a few occasions is now expecting a baby of her own. She wasn't tooo impressed that she had got pregnant at 17, but there was still a hint of that "pregnant pause..." (pun intended)

So... What's in a Manhattan? >:D<

MrBen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Right chaps / gals. > Anyway - its time to stop dicking around and to > resolve this once and for all -it's time for the East > Dulwich Mojito Challenge! I am currently working > on the rules and how this will work to be fair to > all but I intend to enlist the expert help of Aced > Out and an independent panel of judges who fancy > themselves as blind tasters. Please PM me if > interested. > > The winner will get the massivley coveted title of > Best Mojito in East Dulwich and a framed picture > of a smiling Sean McGhabanananan with his thumbs > up for behind the bar. > > Stand by for full details soon.... Where will this take place? Can we have some independent entrants? I really don't fancy the shame of dragging you all down and having to show you my bar in Claam, you will make it look even more "shabby" and far less "chiche" with your vastly superior East Dulwich presence. B) (i'm not even being iron-ronical here- it really is shabby!) I would like to submit my excellent mojito making skills... or any other cocktail for that matter... An After Eight Martini? Expresso Martini? Long Island? Lychelicious?

Asset, Yeah it is rather strange how people react but I have seen both sides of it and I have to say that it surprised me how people behave when you say, "no, I'm not planning on having kids." When I was younger I did want children and I had a close friend who didn't. She always moaned about how horrible some people were to her when this ever came up in conversation. Personally, I always thought that she did "protest too much" about this. But she would say how people felt that had the right to comment, criticise or condescend her with "don't worry, you're young and you will change your mind!" I never thought it was that bad because inwardly I thought the same - one day she would chnage her mind. However, years later the tables have turned and I have experienced the some of the very things she used to complain about. I don't think people often realise how demeaning their comments are, as most times it is said with the best intentions in the world. But my friend, I, or anyone not wanting kids would never dream to turn around and say, "so why do WANT to have kids? Don't worry, you'll change your mind!" blah blah blah... I think that's the point most child -less/free (whatever!?!) feel. They have probalby really considered that decision or had the misfortune of fate making that decision for them. Either way, it can be rather insensitive when people make those comments. btw, all of that wasn't aimed at your post... i got carried away... :-$

Jah Lush Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Everyone should believe in something and I believe > I'll have another drink. Yeah I like the idea of the Egyptians, living beyond death. So I have started the mummyfication process every night and I use a potent cocktail of chemicals: gin, rum, vodka, wine, or whatever there is to hand.

*looks in sewing box for the lost thread* (?)

MelbourneGr Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > VeryBerryCherry ? ?It sounds like heaven on earth. > Imagine..............of it? > > I personally would plan well in advance if I were > to have kids. I most certainly would not take the > selfish attitude you have, It?s all me me me bull. > When you have kids you have to be willing to make > sacrifices and I'm sure having kids is more > rewarding than having a good old pissup everyweek > when i'm 43. Well, good for you. Maybe you should get your head down and start planning now, instead of standing up on your sanctimonious perch judging mine and others decisions for not wanting children. Who the $%&* are you to judge if my decision is selfish or not? You don't know my reasons any more than I know yours for wanting kids. All I was trying to point out, was that there are as many benefits to having kids as to not. Each to their own. I think you, or I, may have missed the point ot this thread, I assumed was for people to share those thoughts and reasons, NOT to start laying charges at the feet who have made the decisions they have made.

>:D

Jah Lush Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I find that reply rather amusing considering your > Oscar Wilde quote at the end of your posts. It > takes all sorts. None of us are the same. We all > want different things. We're all individuals. Who says a relationship has to be "consistent"? Things are always changing and developing - that's the fun of it all. Even the difficult parts. I have friends who, week in week out, get drunk, chat up a girl/boy take then home and then start all over again next week. Now where's the imagination in that? But if they are having fun - good for them. Each to their own. I don't think is matters what you do, kids, kid-free, relationship, relationship-free, just don't resort to the humdrum or the consistent. Life is far to special and precious for that. And far to subjective for any of us to say what consists of a "good and fulfilling" life and that somebody else's life choices is/isn't fulfilling.

Jah Lush Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Not at all. I just think that is a very naive and > presumptious attitude to take. Personally I can't > think of anything more boring than being stuck > with someone for 40 years. Kid or no kids. Variety > is the spice of life. It depends who. I can think of nothing better. (if Mr VBC sees this, he's gonna run a mile!) :-$

MelbourneGr Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Life after 30 would be boring without kids. At > least when you have kids you got something to > live/work for. Being with someone for 40 years > with nothing to pass on or leave sounds tragic. It sounds like heaven on earth. Imagine all that time to do WHATEVER you want, see the places you want, do the things you want, start the businesses you want, have the money to do what you want, have the SLEEP you want (and everything else!), spend the time with friend's kids and give them back as much as you want, do the jobs, go for the promotions you want and according to all this studies, be proportionately happier because of it. That sounds as far from tragic as I can imagine.

indiepanda Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > SteveT Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Women have the urge to reproduce. > > > > > > All men want to do is shag, which is their.... > > sorry OUR form of happiness. > > lol, not all women. Some of us definately have a > stronger urge to shag than to reproduce. > > hmmm, saying that isn't a good way of coming across as a nice girl is it?.. *blushes* Would you feel any better if I said that I agree?:-$ ...edit: Oops I didn't mean that to sound like you don't come across as a "nice" girl. You definitely do! :))

I think it's all summed up well by all the comments above. I think that the East D lot are a pretty hard crowd to please, we are all so damn demanding and sure about what we want from a night out. But everyone?s ideas are different from what I have seen on the other thread about opening a new bar. So, in order to please a some, no doubt others will be p!ssed off My one extra plus was that the staff were great and clearly working hard to make the night and the atmosphere. I have been to other opening nights where they can't tell the bottle opener from an orange. The guys there were really nice, friendly and knew what they were doing. However, one small question: where were the female staff? Or do all cocktail bars only have barmen as some sort of testament rule from the Bar God from above. n.b. women don't spend as much money in bars as men. And attracting women to bars doesn't necessitate that men will follow. I?m not to sure if it would be a regular haunt. However, I think it just adds another option to the mix? and well, who can complain about another establishment where they serve alcofromol to even the likes of me! p.s. beware of the Porn Star. Nice, but a bit tangy and too sweet. I think I have lost the enamel from my front teeth.