Tony.London Suburbs

Mark Wrote: I though I would dip my toe in here and get a decent discussion but no, and so sorry ... I'm out. Mark as your idea of dipping your toe in constituted the following: Saying white brits are becoming extinct just shows a NARROW MINDED IGNORANCE. What is a white brit? Am I a white brit? I'm British and I am white but I'm not going to start fighting for a corner of this country to preserve people who look like me. That's @#$%& STUPID too. Might I, respectfully, suggest that is not the optimum way of achieving that noble idea.:))

The supreme irony of this, of course, is that most of the respondees, probably, have few real friends from other Cultures! Many, if not virtually all, have chosen to live in the predominantly White Area of East Dulwich and NOT Brixton/Camberwell/Peckham/Stockwell/Kennington/Walworth which are all close but much more racially diverse. Without knowing the individual circumstances of every contributor I would strongly suspect that in their Middle-Class upbringings they experienced a predominantly White/British Mono-Culture so have NOT seen their original areas change overmuch! Furthermore in their work environment I would strongly suspect that the vast majority of their colleagues are White Brits! So, nearly all contributors came from predominantly, almost exclusively White Areas, have chosen to take residence in a predominantly White Area and, probably, most of their work colleagues and friends that they socialise with are also White/British..... You will understand if I take more seriously somebody who HAS seen their area change culturally, and has chosen to have friends of all Ethnic Groups, who also chooses to live in a racially diverse area. Its so easy to be idealistic when you are not inconvenienced in any way by any Cultural change.... Someone more like ???? who informed us that his child was the only White child in his class and he has no problem with that. THAT, I admire.

Sherwick Wrote: Tony, regarding immigrants integrating, maybe it just takes time to integrate. Of course over Centuries that will change, however USA Afro-Americans see themselves as Americans, 'tis true. HOWEVER, most want to live in predominantly All-Black Areas, whether it be in parts of New York (Harlem, anybody?) or Chicago/Boston/LA/Philly/Washington. The story and pattern is the same. How can you NOT realise this or ignore this. The mexicans in LA choose to live in predominantly or exclusively Mexican Neighbourhoods. The Black Guys in Los Angeles choose to live in predominantly or exclusively Black neighbourhoods. Why is this do you think? Anything to do with them wanting to be with people of a similar CULTURE by any chance? Another question for anyone here, including you Sherwick.... Ideally Students would attend Schools where all Ethnic Groups mix freely and well, We are all agreed on that. However, why is it, when you realise that most Inner London children live in racially-mixed neighbourhoods, do the White kids, inevitably, hang out with other White kids and Ditto Black children, Vietnamese Children, Asian children, Jewish children etc.... Observe almost any Group of Secondary School children or College Students who attend racially-mixed Schools/Colleges and live in racially-mixed Neighbourhoods and you will note that the "overwhelming" majority CHOOSE to be with members of their own Culture. So why is that?

Mark Wrote: Saying white brits are becoming extinct just shows a narrow minded ignorance. What is a white brit? Am I a white brit? I'm British and I am white but I'm not going to start fighting for a corner of this country to preserve people who look like me. That's @#$%& stupid too. Thanks. At least someone has given an answer. However I have to refer to the above. Firstly you state you are White and British so, undeniably,you are a White Brit. As for the "narrow-minded ignorance" you referred to. If it is "ignorance" are you denying that this is not the case in parts of The UK? if you deny this, then it is you who is the "ignorant" one here. When I travelled 20 years ago through part of Leicester every single shop/business and person I saw, in that area, was Asian. That was 20 years ago so, inevitably, the Asian feel of that area will have expanded. It did not feel like Britain, that I grew up in at all, but like Lahore/Delhi/Calcutta etc... Do you honestly think that the original indigenous occupiers of that area would be pleased or content that their Culture has disappearred there? HONESTLY? There was the sad story of an indigenous White Brit in Southall who committed suicide as she got on "o.k" with the Asian women who were also Dinner Ladies at her school but said she had "nothing in common" with them and eventually she was the only White British Woman left in her street, and she committed suicide. Shame you could have not contacted her and informed and enlightened and educated her into how "narrow-minded" she was. To re-iterate she had nothing against The Asian people at all but said she had "nothing in common" with them. As the area became exclusively Asian she became a stranger, CULTURALLY, in her own Country, Mark.

Sherwick Wrote: A guesstimate based on what? In the same way as others have disagreed, thus far, based on their view and beliefs, without knowing ( or providing) the exact figures

Sherwick Wrote: So you admit that you made it up then? It was a guesstimate.

Thanks for supplying the figures macroban. The Maori's did a wonderful job in aid of the cause.

I want Tony Blair back to sort out the mess Gordon has gotten us into, which has nothing whatsoever to do with Tony and his legacy, during his admirable "rein"...

Sherwick Wrote: You're the one who mentioned 1%. Where did you get it from? Ah yes, you made it up. By definition if someone disputes figures that have, in their view, been erroneously put forward, then they must be au fait with the correct figures to challenge them in the first place! So david c. you said it was "codswallop" so what are the true figures and respective percentages then?

Just about every nation on earth was "involved" in World War II in one way or another. By that I mean colonies, protectorates, commonwealths, or satellite nations of the belligerents following the wishes of their patron countries. The above comment seems to summarise it well. All fighting for Freedom. My question was though : "How do you think THEY would feel if by, a time machine they returned to Britain now and observed that their Culture and fellow White/Brits ,that they fought and died for, have become almost extinct and fast diminishing in many areas ? " How do you, honestly, think that THEY would feel about that? How do you think that, irrespective of the percentage of deaths, how many of the 1.7 Million British who died in World War 1 alone, would feel about the fact that White/Brits have become almost extinct and are fast diminishing in many areas?

And The Gurkhas.

Please no criticism of Tony Blair Guys. Without Tony,Britain would not be the place it is today.

david c et al...Of course many others died in fighting for the cause of Freedom but have you any figures to substantiate your claims that the percentage of their deaths exceeded 1% ?? Do you know how many millions of Brits died, in total, in the last 2 World Wars? Maybe Marmora Man, for example, has the correct figures if none of us actually know them..?

SeanMacGabhann Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > entering into a debate with TLS on anything > relating to race or "The British" is like talking > to that green ghost in Ghostbusters > > You end up covered in slime, have no idea what > just happened and just before you can wipe some of > the gloop off and retort, you get slimed again. > And then again Sean entering a debate with you on anything relating to race or "The British" is like being covered in spittle from the remaining spit that deflects from your beard onto al those within a 5 yard radius. These days you seem only capable of ranting and making insults, that, frankly, belong in Grange Hill or Fenn Street then you should really desist for our mutual benefit. I find, disappointingly, that you add little or nothing to support your arguments a la Huguenot or Carnell. All you do is go into one and make personal insults. EDF is a place of fun, try to remember that at all times. Now if you want to converse as an adult well I'm free (tu)

Your reply above seems perfectly reasonable in their case. As you know millions died in the last 2 World Wars fighting for Freedom for Britain and the British people. 99% of them were White/British, which was representative of British Society then. How do you think THEY would feel if by, a time machine they returned to Britain now and observed that their Culture and fellow White/Brits ,that they fought and died for, have become almost extinct and fast diminishing in many areas ? How do you, honestly, think thatTHEY would feel about that?

HonaloochieB is all things to all people Smiles! Sometimes, even at 5.37 AM I can not sleep wondering what "he" is like in real life. I'll wager "he" is just as witty and clever and then some....

brum Wrote: ..and to think, Harry Patch was about 11 then. What a century of change he's witnessed... Except for one thing - the buses still come in twos or threes! We have a convoy, Euston!!...and to think that some people believe that our current Society is not a "patch" on that one of, over, 100 years ago...and thats not a load of old harry...:)

Huguenot Wrote: Sorry, TLS, just looking for clarification - you're looking for cultural breakdown by ethnicity? Yes, for the purposes of thequestion I've wanted you to answer for some while now. H. Huguenot:You'd like me to talk about the benefits or otherwise of dividing society along ethnic lines? You'd then like to me to agree that dividing people according to their ethnic background keeps people happier? I would love to see your examination replies! You invent your own questions that you want to be asked or think you have been asked! lol ...I asked you neither of these questions. Huguenot:There is of course a grand history of tub-thumping rabble-raising based on a 'better world' of ethnic purity. Off the top of my head I can think of Rwanda, Yugoslavia, Armenia, The Final Solution - the list is endless. I agree that is disgraceful and inhuman and the point is..? Huguenot: I can't agree with you that people were happier in those situations, than they are we all rub along together. If I were to use some arcane and bestial classification of the residents of Singapore, and it soils me to do it, Singapore's around 70% Chinese, 20% Malay, 8% Indian and 2% other. TLS: ALLELUIA!! Thats all I was asking! Wasn't too difficult was it? I hope you clean yourself up after your "soining"...::o Huguenot: The riots following the formation of Singapore formed along ethnic lines, but it was undoubtedly the inspirational leadership of Lee Kwan Yew who stopped the bloodbath threatened by sick and twisted ethnic purists, and generated the successful nation we see today. It is to the eternal credit of this society that they managed to find other ways to judge people than the shape of their nose or eyes, their religion, or the music they listen to. Singapore celebrates diversity in the main because of the huge social benefits it confers. The irony of the ethnic cleansers in the UK is that they are outcasts in their own society. TLS: "Ethnic Cleansers"??...no-one on EDF is remotely suggesting that. Its just gone 5.00AM in London Town and I have just returned from playing in a Casino in Kensington, West London. If we had some form of Ethnic cleansing I would have been only one of two players there out of, approximately, 170/180. Not much of a night out, eh? Naturally the Guys got on fine, there were all Ethnic types though mainly the traditional gamblers like the Chinese were well represented. Soooo, FINALLY, now we have your stats I can return to the question I posed. Do YOU thibk that The majority Ethnic Chinese in Singapore would be perfectly happy if THEY became just "10%" of the population in Singapore? That is YOUR opinion of what THEY think NOT what YOU think!! I would wager, heavily, that if you asked the majority of indigenous Brits who had experienced living in The UK in an area that, broadly, displayed their Culture and also NOW live in that same area (like parts of Leicester, for example where the Culture is Asian) that they would prefer to live in a Culture that represents their likes, habits and beliefs NOT some other Culture's "likes, habits and beliefs"..Do you agree that is what THEY would want, in the main? I would, also, wager that if you asked the OVERWHELMING majority of Brits if they would be happy living NOT in a Mono-Culture but in a Society rich with other people from all over the World where they (the indigenous Brits) were still the "predominant" people and culture they would be fine with that. So its got nothing with YOUR rabble-rousing about "Ethnic cleansing" at all but just, noting, the "bleedin' obvious" that in most places in the World "most" people tend to choose to spend "most" time with people of their own Culture. The question again was: "Do YOU thibk that The majority Ethnic Chinese in Singapore would be perfectly happy if THEY became just "10%" of the population in Singapore? That is YOUR opinion of what THEY think NOT what YOU think!! "

Is this thread about Mike Loach or Ken Leigh?

Huguenot, fascinating though your values are, that is not what I asked. You may not have noticed but Asians in England tend to choose to socialise, primarily, with other Asians. Now kindly substitute "Asians" for Black Guys or Jewish people or Chinese people or East Europeans etc etc. They, invariably, tend to share a similar culture with others who were either born in the same Country as them or there descendents were. Sooooo, back to my question to you, still unanswered ( no change there then) Do you think the local inhabitants where you currently live would like it if they became a numerical minority in their Country? Perhaps you could give me a very rough breakdown of the percentage of population of the different ethnic groups currently residing where you are? It would be appreciated.

bigbadwolf Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I bet you tweaked one out whilst watching this > 'nostalgia' didn't you Tony. Just demonstrates how advanced we were as a Nation, over 100 years ago BBW...

Huguenot Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I'm interested TLS, how far should one be allowed > to roam from home, before it's considered > illegal(in miles)? > > How much variation in opinion is one allowed > before one is considered seditious and > imprisoned? > > How much should I be forced to share your opinion > before I too can be considered British? > > How far can one disagree with one's government > before one is considered worthy of deportation? > > How much of a suntan before one is a traitor to > one's race? Ludicrous, nonsenical questions H. I've already explained that everyone is British if they are born here, provided THEY THEMSELVES regard themselves as British. Once again, thats obviously NOT the response you were looking for, so that response has rendered those 5 hypothetical questions as completely irrelevant,

How long will you take to answer my question? p.s I see this dialogue is following the inevitable pattern in that: 1/ You intrepret my posts in anywhichway you desire, irrespective of my input. 2/ I answer every one of your questions. 3/ You fail to answer my questions. No-one can say you are not reasonable H! BTW: The questio was "Would the majority of people living where you are now be happy should they become a significant monority in those same areas, if that happened over the next 50 years?

Huguenot Wrote: Is TLS in his sixties? No. Not for another 5 years. Huguenot:I'm surprised that he would have been too aware of 'culture' I remember Britain being at the forefront in The Arts, Photography, Comedy, Fashion and Music. Not bad for a small Island and I remember that people from all over the World wanted to experience the London lifestyle in the "Swinging Sixties" Huguenot: what Tony means by English/British if that group also includes Cypriots? Does it also include Indians or Jamaicans? It included the 1% who were not born here, if they regarded themselves as British. So you are right in saying the London populace was "predominatly white" ..almost exclusively in many parts of London. Not aware anyone is excluded from being British other than those who do not wish to be called British. Huguenot, I doubt its very different from where you now reside. I'm sure people embrace you wherever you go. However if the White/Brits became the overwhelming majority in some areas where you now live, I doubt if many of the locals will be too enthusiastic about seeing their own Culture be diluted to the extent that it could disappear in many parts, altogether. Do you think that the majority of the local population where you now live would be happy if they became a significant minority in those same areas over, say, the next 50 years?

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