Tony.London Suburbs

SeanMacGabhann Wrote: I'm sure there is a point in there somewhere Tony, I just don't know what it is Sean, I'm certain you don't have a problem with the English. I don't understand why you have a problem with people displaying the English Flag in England, thats all. Heaven only knows what you would think if you ventured to The Suburbs if England (ever!) do well in The European/World Cups again. In many streets in my area every other house proudly flew the Flag and we did not reach The Final. Every 3rd Car also.

1/ Ted Heath: To give him a kick in the bollox on behalf of the Great British Nation. 2/ Winston Churchill: To shake his hand and Thank him on behalf of everyone enjoying their freedom in this sceptered Isle today. 3/ Jesus: To beg for his forgiveness for every nasty thought I've ever had and for all the mistakes that I have made, which hopefully have only adversely affected myself. Then to ask him if I could come in and join him, please. Not necessarrily in that order.

bigbadwolf Wrote: Tony, I respect your views but can we please mug off all this 'down the dog track' rhubarb. It's only Catford dogs not some kind of Balkans Arms Bazaar. As the old Sunday Pictorial used to say "All Human Life Was There"...Arms Bazaar? The day the Boys tried to burn down The Stewards Box when the Photo-Finish went the wrong way would have made any Balkans Bazaar look a veritable Tea=Party!B)

SeanMacGabhann Wrote: English flag more threatening. I've just returned and I see this comment on an English Website written by someone who has resided in England for a long time, written n The Capital of England and from the person who asked "When WAS England a better place" only today ???? You could NOT make this up Sean! Maybe when people were proud to wave The English Flag in London, England, I would suggest.....larf...

david_carnell Wrote: I'm proud to see the best in people, to give the benefit of the doubt and to believe rehabilitation not punishment is more likely to succeed. This is where you give me a great problem David. I LIKE the fact that someone sees the best in people and gives the benefit of the doubt, I genuinely do. However I have met many villians who were "Patrons" at my workplace i.e. The local Dog-Track and they theived to bet, lost their money and went and stole some more to bet again. I KNOW their views about people who act and believe what you do and you only encourage them at OUR expense. The expense of every decent person, on here, and elsewhere. THAT is my problem. YOU are fueling the fire and "they" only wish everyone had your viewpoint. Maybe you have not been "tainted" and influenced by not meeting enough thieves, scammers and robbers. Seriously, how many DO you know and if the answer is "not many" or even 2none at all" do you not realise that by NOT knowing any that will DEcrease your "Wisdom"???

david_carnell Wrote: Tony - I would be careful of branding other posters (ie Sean) as patronising if you want to avoid allegations of hypocrisy. Your argument of "you'll change your mind when you get to my age" is both wrong and frankly insulting to a large number of posters on this forum, myself included. Wisdom comes with knowledge not age. Do you not realise David that additional "Wisdom" comes with additional "experience" which is achieved with additional "age". Given that people have a certain intelligence then they will, indeed, get wiser as they acquire more experience of life, it all its various hues and that will come, increasingly, as they age. Are you telling me that in 10 years time you will not be wiser and more learned than you are today and that with every additional year you will not increase your wisdom? How does one acquire "Wisdom"?? Surely be learning through experincesd, through reading, through every form of Education and the older one gets they, surely, add layers to their previous level of Education and become wiser accordingly. How can you say that you, as a "20-something" have the Wisdom of an average "50=something" (IGNORE me) I'm talking generally. Unless you believe that you are intellectually superior than most ....

taper Wrote: Tony I've replied to that reference on the other thread. I thought initially your preoccupation with race related issues was similarly suspicious. But you have long since shown yourself to be a sagacious and creative commentator on a range of issues. Thats really nice for you to say that taper. I appreciate that coming from you. Thank You.

Keef Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Who wrote what in that last post Tony? It would help if I made it clearer Keef!:)) Edited, accordingly M8.

Atila Reincarnate Wrote: nor am I Clint Eastwood, nor do I aspire to be him. I should hope NOT M8!:)) According to our M8 Sean we already have one Ex-Walworthian on here, already...namely me.. Sean: "that still doesn't mean I am going to turn into the Clint Eastwood character you aspire to on here "

SeanMacGabhann Wrote: (against my better judgement)...a tad patronising but we will move, rapidly, on...:)) Tony - the arguments I made were against the death penalty AND against "normal" people adopting a similar mindset to the very people they despise. I'm not so far away from you age-wise that you can give it the "wait until you are my age and see what I have seen" crap either. If I believe the notion that 15 years ago you were a some variant of a happy socialist (and I don't believe that for a second) then that still doesn't mean I am going to turn into the Clint Eastwood character you aspire to on here I gave 2 examples of the types of society that have less of a problem with violent behaviour. Obviously I favour the former over the latter. Tony: Its not "crap" at all. Many, many people have one view when they are Students which beginss to change as they enter the "dog-eat-dog" World that many are forced to live in. The more they experience the way life actually is and some of its more undesirable elements then the more people, tend, to get "angry" at what they see and hear and want something done about it. To fast-forward this, after "x" Decades of this many peoples views harden and they hardly recognise themselves from their previous "idealistic" selves. You are wrong in any event. Having been Born and lived in The Socialist Republic of Southwark, where Labour were so comfortable they created their National HQ there, I voted Labour in my Youth. Then I became more Liberal, as one does and I voted accordingly and as you know The Liberals, thanks to the admirable and decent Simon Hughes, have done well there now. My Clint Eastwood views have hardened over the last 25 years though as I'm sick and tired of all the pi++takers and their apologists, I'm afraid. As people I much prefer idealists and good, kind, compassionate, caring, lovely people. I enjoy the company of Left-Wingers more in some respects ( so much for your ASSumptions):)) I would rather have a drink with them and have someone like you as a neighbour ( imagine that over the garden fence Seany Baby)B) but these same people are a bloody irritant and damned nuisance when it comes to wanting to genuinely "punish" bad people. I want them out of the way so good people can bring up their children in a lovely World so in that way I'm MORE of an idealist than you, probably. Sadly. I've met too many Guys who are soulless and take advantage of peoples good nature and it disgusts me that eventually they become a cancer ( if you meet enough of them ) that destroy one's belief in the good nature of most people, on here and elsewhere. Sean: Very few people are born bad. Agreed. Hardly any I would say. Can't think of one of my friends over all those years who hasn't got a Son or Daughter that they are not proud of as they are good people and loving Prents and the kids turn out the same, accordingly, "most" of the time. Sean: so thanks to Blair....... me one who is not that bothered. I know, I know Sean, it was Blair who was not bovverred:)

taper Wrote: TonyLondonSuburbs You talking about me? Was the "forgotten subject" your theory about the superiority of black people at running and dancing? I remember we had an epic and tedious spat about that some time ago. I mentioned that it was, indeed, you, at exactly the same time "11,11" on the BNP Thread taper. The "spat" was epic and tedious as you said. You are correct that was the Subject which is pointless continuing other than to say that if you do not realise over the forthcoming Decades that "overall" that the physical superiority "overall" of sufficient Black Guys does not make them better Athletes than say their Asian Peers, I will be astonished. Given that Asian and Black Guys, generally, love and play Football witness how many from each Racial Group succeed at a higher level overthe next 30 years in this Country and ask yourself why that is? In fact, rather than engage with me, try to join any Website with a significant number of Black contributors and tell them your genuine views on whether "overall" they make better runners at certain distances etc. That will be illuminating, for you anyway Mon Ami.:))

SeanMacGabhann Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > And of all the people I'm determined NOT to engage > with*.... * because it hurts my head Shame Sean. I have to say that I would love to "engage" with you as I do NOT understand the blatant contradiction betwen you being "probably" the nicest person on this Site ( or certainly one of them, anyway) and yet you do not seem to grasp that Criminals worship the ground that "nice" people stand on as it allows them to continue their activities with little or no consequences. Imagine a "nice" Defence Lawyer, a compassionate Judge. A welcoming, friendly Probation Officer. The Prison Warders wanting to be your best M8 and turning a blind eye to your activities inside. Then after your lenient sentence, with time off for good behaviour, naturally, a Criminal is free to do it all again and you just don't seem bothered, and to be fair, I'm sure that would not change if you or your Family are victims. Do you not realise that this attitude contributes greatly to the problem. Yes, I had, fairly similar views myself but after 55 years on witnessing where this leads, one adjusts ones beliefs. I wonder if you or other like-minded people will in years to come?

taper: You seem a decent person and I hope you saw the reference to yourgoodself at 10.30 AM in the final paragraph on the "French Students" thread. Don't take it personally but after engaging in endless thousands of conversations, both in "real" life (lol) and on various internet fora with Non-White Guys, I did have to laugh when you made a comment to me a while ago on an emotive Racial Subject, which I've long forgotten.;-)

"Dangerous" people come in all forms, though. Only yesterday I discovered a wicked act by someone who was, doubtless, "broken with their own story" I assume. A beautiful, large White Husky Dog entered the Park, on a lead, on 3 Legs only. I spoke to the Owners and to my disgust and horror was told the story of how this situation occurred. Obviously, it was perpetuated by the previous Owner. No action was taken providing he agreed to hand over the Dog to these people and, of course, he/she could not sign the form quick enough. So NO action taken and that individual is free to replicate that crime and if others, like-minded, learn there are no consequences then, doubtless, they will be more, not less, inclined, to follow suit. The apathy and Liberal Laws are "dangerous" as far as I'm concerned and only allow this situation to flourish. If there is little deterrent then Criminals will enjoy a bonanza at our expense. Thats "dangerous" to me as few seem to really care and they would feel the same, even, if it was THEIR Dog or Human Kith or Kin who were the victims. Anti-Social behaviour will spiral. If there are lenient, laughable sentences then why shouldn't criminals make hay while the sun shines in our lovely, tolerant, oh-so-civilsed Nation.

Sherwick Wrote: "White people being removed from The UK's Premier Black Website " Where did you hear about this? Rather close to home!:))..My live-in Girlfriend was a regular contributor and she introduced me to the Site. I made more regular contributions for several years than any other "known" White Guy on that Site. In fact I enjoyed the discourse with Guys who, most certainly, did NOT always have similar views from me and I learned much from appraising situations from a Black viewpoint, over many years. I. also, discovered much about Black History and the love and respect that most Black people have for their Ancestors, for example. Highly educational it was too. Nearly every other White contributor ( apart from one who was married to a Black Zimbabwean Woman) was driven out as those Guys deliberately gave any Non-Black contributor a hard time, to put it mildly!:)) One had to be "on point" or would have been torn to pieces by The Black Lions in their own Den but the discourse was fair and though a few Seniors on their Site did NOT approove of any Non-Black participation, it was allowed provided one adhered to the rules. Then came the disgusting "Anothony Tucker" incident. I'm sure you'll recall this case in Liverpool when this hard-working lad was butchered by 2 pieces of white filth, who I said and the time should be "beheaded" and strangely enough, this meant with unaninmous approval on there. However such was the outrage on thereat the incident itself that within a few days all "known" White contributors were Banned, and as I did not know any of the others, I can only assume that, like me, there was not only no warning but no notification either of this. I read their Site every week still and feel irritated if I see any inaccurracies that I would like to comment on from a White perspective. I found the Site stimulating and, of course, Black people are, generally, known for their straight talking ( they don't do "fake" is one of their favourite expressions) so the exchanges were, "frank", to put it mildly but one learned so much about Black Academics, Black History and the differing viewpoints which emerged across the African Diaspora. Once The USA started providing some strong contributors to add to the Africans, The Caribbeans and The Black British itself it became a lively place but sadly, I note, that many of the most outspoken Black contributors have now got "Excluded" if one reads their old posts and, quite honestly, their Site it, relatively, "dry" now. Final point. I HAVE to laugh as I, naturally, said "dry" then and thats a word I would NEVER have thought of b4 my involvement on that Site.:) Allow me to say that one contributor who has alreay appearred on The BNP thread this morning at around 6.00 AM (lol) mentioned I was, probably "misinformed" about a forgotten Subject i.r.o. Black Guys, I laughed, how I laughed as I would be certain that over the last 35 of my 55 years I have spent as much time with Black people socially etc as almost any other White Guy in London Town...:))

HonaloochieB Wrote: The Adverts. Adverts? Adverts? Call the offerings of today Adverta? Now Leonardo Rossiter and Joan Collins doing the Cinzano Adverts, deh was Adverts or The PG Tips Chimps or The original Milky Bar Kid adverts, they were Adverts....

Sherwick Wrote: that people can't call others racist names without people taking offence. So what other "PC gone mad" is it? As "Race" is being mentioned examples would be all White people being removed from The UK's Premier Black Website purely on grounds of their colour similar, presumably, to Stormfront, equally horrifically, not allowing Non-White Members. Everyone knows what "Stormfront" represents but The Black Site is for all ordinary Members of the Public to discuss general issues. If Non-White people were banned from posting on EDF there would, quite rightly, be outrage but "PC Gone Mad" is the fact that it is allowed the other way. Final point i.r.o "racist names"...Naturally it is abhorrent for anyone to racially discriminate against others and, again, if anyone did so on here there would, quite rightly, be repercussions and yet, on that same Website, White people are casually referred to by all manner of derogatory names, even by The Managing Directors (crackers, bluefoot, greys etc) and nothing is said at all. Surely there should be a blanket ban on all Racial Discrimination. Thats another example of "PC Gone mad" as there are clearly Double Standards here.

In theory citizenED is right but after the 150th scammer or con artist turns you over it begins to lose its novelty value. Now for the joys of "Cut 'n paste...:) Imagine being conned and again and again and agian and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and agian and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and agian and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and agian and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and agian and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and agian and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and agian and again and again and again and again and again and and again and again and agian and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and agian and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and agian and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and agian and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and agian and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and agian and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and agian and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and agian and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again. The above is how ,many times DIFFERENT individuals promised us they would settle debts from ?5 to ?1,000 at Catford Stadium when I worked there and how many times we were let down. How many times Debtors became invisible and uncontactable and, often, when one tried to ask for OUR money WE were the "bad guys".... Is anyone from Utopia, seriously telling me that, in future, we should continue to believe more people, as all these people had a believable story to tell. Sorry but Utopians irritate me as they don't usually come into contact themselves, with any frequency, with your everyday common or garden scammers/con artists/liars that destroy peoples faith in others.

Labour Party decimated tonight to such an extent that they came 5th/6th in some Regions. For the first time ever in Wales they did not receive the most votes. They have enjoyed that privilege since 1918. Nick Griffin has just become the second BNP M.E.P. The UKIP Party has, easily, beat The Labour Party in many Regions. The Liberal Democrats have not increased their vote at all, despite the appalling loss of Labour Votes. I believe Labour lost 240,000 out of 600,000 North West votes, cataclysmic by any standards. Stll Gordon will plough on regardless as there are no credible alternatives as Messrs Johnson/Miliband are hemmed in to the new Cabinet.

Reality is most people are naive when younger and, then, after Decades of experience with multi-farius people in all walks of life they become quite cynical. I,for example, had no excuse, as I was 40 years old already when I became a Bookmaker and started giving "credit" to various Punters/friends. BIG MISTAKE!...My 2 Partners did not want to insult the customers by not agreeing, occassionally, to their requests/pleas. So we gave credit and lived to rue the day. One guy did not pay us the ?40 he owed us and then bet with the other Firms who would NOT give him credit! ( How is that for gratitude?). Of course he knew we would want to deduct his ?40 debt from any future winnings and he could keep all his winnings by betting elsewhere. So we lost a valuable customer who gave the next Bookmaker around ?30,000 worth of Business for 2 successive years after avoiding us!...?60,000 worth of Turnover lost. The final tally at Catford Stadium alone was around 150 different people taking advantage of our good nature and failing to repay around ?28,000. I could write a Book about some of the jolly japes we got involved in trying to get some of that back. All those Guys "seemed" genuine.

Poor Old Jimmy. Probably made a pact with Hutton/ D.Miliband et al and once he was out the dor they closed it behind him! Then Hutton left for "other" reasons and Caroline wanted to see what she was offerred b4 she left....:))

Fair enough Guys. This is an emotive Subject that can be viewed in many ways.

Mick Mac Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Whao - those are good odds TLS. Good luck with > that one. I suspect someone's made a rick, Mick! He only has to be the next Labour Leader at The next General Election. Shame there was only ?2 available..

???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > no way Tony, he's nothing like that Market Selection Type Bet ID Bet placed Odds req. Stake (?) Liability (?) Avg. odds matched Date matched UK / Next General Election / Party Leaders Brown only Back 8167580198 07-Jun-09 10:41 130 2.00 130 07-Jun-09 10:41

To use an old chestnut, what about Adolf Hitler or Jojo Stalin? Once, if and when, found Guilty, they are allowed to live?