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Huguenot, supposing that you intend to interview every single member of 2 communities in the UK (for example) and 100% of people from one racial group (hypothetically) voted "Yes" over the question (whatever it may be) and 100% of people from another Group voted "No" then are you saying that one can not make assumptions about which way the remaining 50 people from each community will vote, who you have yet to ask?

lenk Wrote: .. being as it is a completely unfounded 'hunch'. Crikey. You will say more than "Crikey" if you take the time and trouble to read "Blacknet.co.uk"- "News and Politics Village" the thread entitled "Afrikans will not bow down on Homosexuality".... This is the Premier UK Site for Black people in Britain and after reading this you will never think my views are a "hunch" again...

Well if there is anyone in EDFLand who does not realise after reading the following that a higher proportion of Black people are Homophobic nothing will make them see it, as they clearly do not want to. There is a thread entitled "Afrikans will not bow down on Homosexuality!" in the "News and Politics" Section of Blacknet.co.uk, which s the UK's premier Site for Black people from all walks of life. The thread lasts for 4 pages and makes fascinating reading for those who do not realise the general hatred of Homosexuality in the Black Community. I do not use the term "hatred" lightly. This is from The BNV Managing Editor himself! (He is replying to a comment rom "Spinster" who is one of the few people trying to be moderate on this Subject....... 14-07-08, 08:37 AM Quote:Originally Posted by Spinster ... some of the things being said in this thread are very extreme and downright nasty. Just because someone is not practicing what you may not think is "right" or "holy" or "righteous" or "natural" does not give you the right to speak so nasty about them, nor does it give anyone the right to kill them. Here is the reply from the BNV Managing Editor himself (no less!).. "If you had actually read the posts as you claimed to have done (as opposed to 'getting a general flavour' from reading snippets that do not concur with YOUR views) you would see that people here are NOT advocating KILLING people for their preference). The central theme among the posters here is that CULTURALLY, homosexuality is alien to our culture (which is not to suggest that there are NO Africans who practice it), just that it is something which in general Africans abhor and think to be UNNATURAL in the scheme of life.......IN OUR CULTURE MAN WAS NOT MADE TO GO WITH MAN OR WOMAN WITH WOMAN.....If such were natural in the scheme of things, the world would be very different from what it is. Furthermore, people here are saying that it is the RIGHT of each country/government (e.g. African countries) to choose the stance their take on homosexuality and NOT be 'directed' by Europeans/Western views/preferences on the matter. Whilst out and out killing of people who happen to be homosexuality cannot be justified in a humane world, the fact that there are those who are totally disgusted and opposed to such practice is something other should learn to accept. WE FEEL THE WAY WE DO, THAT IS IT! Respect"...... pk: Please take the time to read the whole thread (or get a flavour thereof). All the top brass on that Site contribute as do many ordinary Villagers and on the whole thread from the thousands of Members of BNV there is not ONE dissenting voice! (Well there WAS one "New Improved Morris (NIM) " but he was hounded out and his posts removed for trying to impose his values on their Site, turns out NIM was White/British. No disrespect but unless you are living in some kind of parellel universe I do not know how you have not realised this most obvious of "truisms"....

Asset Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > only house in the street with their windows open I > would imagine I have to say :)

As I've been subjected to "Elephant Man" and other "Bad Man" Music for the last 45 minutes so my mellowness is fast disappearring!::o

pk Wrote: that's a no then You are just becoming an example of what I replied when you asked why I mentioned this in the first place.;-) You, blatantly, do not want to hear or believe this, for your own reasons. pk you know that there is not going to be a Nationwide or Global survey of this but if you mix and work and are friends with as many Black people as I have done for the last 30 years then that view will be re-inforced with almost every conversation. Thats just the way it is. If thats perceived as "Negative" then thats because most would see this view as antiquated and "negative"...

AllforNun Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > oh crap i'm lost again... so you can munch badgers > and be liberal but not liberal and munch badgers > ...is that it ? Best to go and have a lie down in a darkened room Mon Ami.....no, no, not a darkened room...any room! B)B)B) Now I KNOW you will NOT believe this but I SWEAR THIS IS 100% TRUE!...My Jamaican Ladyfriend is watching B.E.T. at this very moment and she has just said "Look at that Batty Bwoi!" "leave that kind of Dancing to the Girls!"... I PROMISE THIS IS TRUE!!! p.s Probably one of "total and utter co-incidences" that Moos mentioned!:))

pk Wrote: so you've got statistical data about the prevalence of homophobia and racism in the 'black race'? Just ask any Black friend or colleague that you know well, if, in their opinion, there is a higher ratio or proportion of Homophobic people within their Race, compared to other races, and see what their response is. You need not ask them their own views or the views of their circle of friends but what their general perception is of other Black peoples views on this Subject (particularly of Afro-Caribbean descent) . I'll be astonished if they do not agree that there is a much greater homophobic feeling in the Black Community.

Moos Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > No, what he is saying is that you would be quite > right to assume that the new arrival was a fervent > badger-muncher, or whatever. Not only that, but > presumably you could refer to our arriviste as > 'that badger muncher'. And by total and utter > co-incidence, it means that he can make a negative > assessment of black people. If you had 100,000 arrivals (a large enough survey!) and 95,000 fitted that description then its fair to assume that the next person WOULD also fill that description! HOWEVER, the next part is nonsense as you could not refer to the "arriviste" in any way until you established that there WERE like the 95% Majority!

Huguenot Wrote: It's not racist (but may be statistically wrong) to observe that a high proportion of a individuals from a particular racial background may be homophobic, but it is racist to assume that someone is likely to be homophobic because of their race. I really can't agree with this at all. Hypothetically if 100,000 Members of a Race (any Race) were asked a question about any Subject (positive or negative) and 95,000 all replied the same way, then its fair to assume that the next person one asks of the same Race will reply the same way. Given that would be a very large sample and 19 out of every 20 replied the same way its only natural to assume the next Guy will also hold the same viewpoint. That, of course does NOT mean that "every" Member of that particular Race will reply that way or that there are not Members of other Races who will also reply that way but in my hypothetical example the Guys replying differently would be the "exceptions to the rule" so how can that be "Racist" to form a clear view of that Racial Groups general view of a Subject when nearly everyone thinks or talks or acts the same way?

ronniemama Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Just how many pints have you had TLS? I know HB is > buying but you souldn't take the P*** Sadly don't drink and never smoked anything, at any time M8;-) Feel mellow Man>:D<

pk Wrote: so you are saying that black people are generally homophobic, and using a very small self selected group as 'evidence'? I'm sorry to say but a resounding Yes! There will be endless references to demonstrate this on the net, for example. A much greater proportion of Black Guys of Afro-Caribbean descent are homophobic (not "every" Guy)... Thats well-documented. There's a positive plethora of sources to show this on the net. The Black Comedian Stephen K. Amos did a Documentary last year when he went to chat to some Gay Guys in Jamaica and had to go undercover the whole time, in 2008!...then they showed him in a Brixton Comedy Club going down a storm, until he revealed that he was Gay...stony-faced silence and embarassment ensued thereafter. pk: and are you saying that this page is different from 'them'? Yes! There will be a far higher ratio and proportion of people on here who would be more tolerant and less Homophobic, I could not be more certain of that M8. pk: not denying that cultural differences exist sometimes to some extent in some regards, but any conclusions and generalisations drawn should be based on fact - i am sure that if you spent a minute some 'white' pages you could just as easily find people saying some racist and/or homophobic. There ARE racists and Homophobic people, no doubt, in all Groups but it is far, far more widespread in the Black Community. Any Black person wil confirm that, I'm certain. Here's a small example: "Violence and the law Jamaica has been deemed one of the most virulently homophobic countries in the world where homophobes will throw rocks first and ask questions later. Gays living in Jamaica have to keep a low profile as there have been incidents where people have been stoned to death merely on the suspicion that of being gay. When a gay group proposed a march through the centre of Kingston to protest against homophobia, the machete factories on the island ran out of stock, needless to say that march was quickly abandoned. Violence against gay men in our country is widely advocated by a wide cross-section of our society. Actions are very extreme and inhumane with people going as far a to through sewage on them. Politicians ridicule them, the general public "bun dem", policemen abuse, harass and embarrass them. " I'm passing no comment but its undeniable that Jamaicans (and most other Caribbean Islanders) are much more homophobic than most other people. I'm pretty sure Homosexuality in Jamaica is still illegal for a start!...In 2009 !

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red devil Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Buzzcocks... There's no need for that red devil, after all we are all entitled to our opinion.(6)

pk Wrote: so what's the point of this? ....to demonstrate that while we are all individuals and should be judged accordingly, there are differences in the way differing Racial Groups can, in general, perceive and regard different situations sometimes, which some people seem to not believe or deny occurs..

One that is based on a longstanding History, Tradition and Heritage like The Sex Pistols..

Absolutely HeidiHi ! There's already the implication that they would be disowned on that other Site and now some Male posters over there are avoiding the question by denying that it could possibly happen.

Does make me laugh after experiencing and witnessing all that I have in my 54 years when "some" people deny that there are not blatant differences in Culture between Racial Groups sometimes!:) Take right now..there is a thread n "Blacknet. Co. UK" which asks:- "What if your chld was homosexual?" enquiring how Parents would react on discovering that was the case. The replies, thus far, are along the lines of : "but like I said before it aint gonna happen.....may as well have a convo about what would happen if we wont the lotto this comming saturday."....and that view has already been seconded. I'll make a confident prediction that hardly anyone will be "brave" enough to go entirely against the grain and say that they will not mind at all. So far, someone thankfully has. If that same question was posed on here is anyone seriously telling me that the opposite would not occur and that the overwhelming majority of us would still not cherish and love our child just as much whatever their sexual orientation?

There is a state of conciousness that is beyond all human suffering. Ultimately if we want to experience this we have to go through ego, death. surrender to now as now, then we will see that the universe, the world in fact is in us. and not the other way around. Peace and Love on this Sunday, 1st March.

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JDR Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Everyone will be glad to hear that Dr Cranes > memorial service happened yesterday and was > touching and heartfelt by everyone there. Lots of > people went to show their feeling of loss for such > a generous and kind man whose home was always open > to those in need. Plenty of England players > showed up and alledgedly even Arsene Wenger made > an appearance. It just goes to show what a truely > wonderful gentleman he was that so many people > wanted to show their affections. I know the > family felt very appreciative of the huge warmth > and depth of feeling that was expressed Thanks for letting us know JDR. We have lost a Great, humble, caring Good Man.

Would Posters kindly stay on Topic. Thank You so much.

poppylucky Wrote: I have now thankfully recovered from that experience and do not travel between 3-4 on buses now! especially the 36 and 436...but my ankle has'nt! i'm still hobbling around like a hobo but its on the mend....! You seem like a real Trooper(tu) This is EXACTLY the type of Bulldog Spirit that Won us 2 World Wars and 1 World Cup and I, for one, feel humble at doubting you:'( Thomas.

poppylucky Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for all messages of support!..... Hey! I believed you Poppsi! Some thought you were off your trolley but not I:) By the way have you still got that trolley that you took on the Double-Decker? (You did well to sneak it past the Conducter!)::o