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Thanks for the warning. Do we have any firmer information about the time of night these attacks happen and how the gang(s) operate?

Ginster, the TfL single fares page gives N.DulwichW.Croydon, M-F 0630-0930 and 1600-1900 ?2.20; otherwise ?1.70. On the Gold Card front, Boris Says: "Following discussions with Companies, TfL hopes to introduce PAYG Gold Card[*] benefits from the end of May." http://mqt.london.gov.uk/mqt/public/question.do?id=30225 . Until then you seem to be better off, if within gold card validity, with a paper anytime day return, there no longer being an off-peak DR. Ed: [*] But not Network Card

Pirate78, many thanks for the warning, and glad you got out of it fairly intact. If it's not too stressful, can you give any more details, like the time it took place, your location in the park when it happened, where they approached from and for how long they were visible before anything happened, whether they were after anything more than your mobile, whether you were carrying any bags, and whether they tried talking to you first or went straight to the violence. I too habitually, though infrequently, go through the park at night going to and from Sainsburys. To be honest, I'm not sure I'd feel safer walking round the road way.

HAL9000 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > From Aristotle's Prior Analytics: categorical syllogism - to be precise. That's so C4th BC.

And there I was, just about to post about how wonderful it was that the old traditions and practices were being kept up. For those in a seriously challenging frame of mind, don't bother about the spurious charity, just ask to see the guy's pedlar's certificate. Honest, guv. http://www.askthe.police.uk/content/Q239.htm The Pedlars Act 1871 also prescribes that: "Any pedlar shall at all times, on demand, produce and show his certificate to any of the following persons ... Any person in whose private grounds or premises such pedlar is found: ... And any pedlar who refuses, on demand, to show his certificate to, and allow it to be read and a copy thereof to be taken by, any of the persons hereby authorized to demand it, shall for each offence be liable to a penalty not exceeding [level 1 on the standard scale]."

Sue Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I think it's the N176 at night but I might be wrong. Nah, they drop the N if it's a 24 hour service. Reminds me of that line in an early Pinter sketch, "It doesn't look like a night bus in the day time."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/showsandtours/beonashow/mad_about_the_house.shtml

Thanks Fraser. :) Urgently wanted: female partner. Must be prepared to live-in and take an active part in home refurbishment plans.

>Posted by: Ted Max Today, 03:23PM >The winner of the 3:30 at Kempton is circled using the landlord's biro, but never backed. At 3:23? Where is this pub?

>If it's the 'ED' profile they're aiming for It'a a national programme, and they're advertising for particicipants nationwide. Several of the puffs, like this one, have little custom tweaks to address the readers of a particular forum or site.

ludoscotts Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > walkers and foxes but I saw a young female dog walker go up our street the other day. she had > about 6 dogs with her and one of them did foul the pavement, she stopped and was looking at it > whilst I went into the shop, when I came out the poo was still there and no sign of the walker. > Have been wondering if she was a new dog walker who uses our street regularly and dosent ever > clear up after the dogs she walks. it would explain the sudden increase on our street. If you see her again you might try giving her a copy of one of the relevant Southwark web pages. This one, for example, fits on one side of A4. http://www.southwark.gov.uk/YourServices/environment/AnimalWelfare/dogfoulingact.html You could cross out the ?50 fixed penalty and write in ?75, which is the current figure.

All that's really telling you is that the machines don't issue penalty fares in such circumstances. It doesn't say what would happen if an RPI wanted to check your ticket somewhere between zone 2 and your destination and found no OEP. That said, I'm not sure that anyone's yet clear as to what would happen, or how assiduously they'd try to enforce any PF. We're still, anyway, in a bedding-in period, with some passengers, and staff, not fully clued up, and maybe not as much availability of OEP-granting machines as there ought to be, so they might conceivably exercise discretion favourably. There's also some internal opposition to OEPs, so who knows what will develop: "TfL is working closely with the TOCs to monitor and resolve station specific issues. I have concerns about the lack of TOC staff knowledge on the Oyster Extension Permit, which is not applicable on the TfL network, and which is not supported by TfL." and "The main policy area of the rollout that still remains an issue is the Oyster Extension Permit, required by the TOCs, and not by TfL. Oyster Extension Permits are required on National Rail services in London, where a customer with a Travelcard plans to travel outside the zones that they have purchased, using Oyster PAYG. I have written to the TOCs and to the Association of Train Operating Companies to ask them to rethink this impediment to travel." TfL Board, Commisioner's Report, Feb 2010 http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/about-tfl/boardandchiefofficers/papers/1436.aspx and "London TravelWatch has called for the Oyster Extension Permits to be scrapped. " http://www.londontravelwatch.org.uk/news.php?id=700

> Whoever was arrested was not the only one - or has been released and just carried on... Whoever was arrested had not necessarily committed any offence.

It's only an 'advisory' at present (probability less than 60%): click on the map(s) (currently just Wednesday) shaded yellow at http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/se/london_forecast_weather.html PS The term they actually use is not 'probability' but 'confidence', though I doubt the distinction's worth sweating about.

Or, to put it succinctly, For a+b read a(a+b). You could make up innumerable different puzzles using different transformations. A useful clue for the current one is that the RHS is an exact multiple of the LHS.

Brendan Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > They are physical expressions of the feelings of > an individual/s and unless they are causing a > danger or obstruction I don?t think it would be > particularly polite to get rid of them. When they're put in place, yes. But what of, say, the dead and rotting detritus of flowers and plastic at the base of a lamppost in Grove Vale? What would any of the people who'd contributed to it say if they were asked what they thought of and felt about their tribute now? Do they even know it's still there? Are they ever planning to tidy, replace or remove it? Would they take more care of flowers left on a loved one's grave?

Just got this really good advice from a computing newsletter. "If you have a carbon-based loved one in your life, might I suggest that you turn off the computer for the day and spend it with them. Or else set up a lan network in your house so the two of you can chat via instant messenger."

I know it's not ED-specific, but I think it would be ridiculous to use that reasoning not to provide a reminder here, that the Dispatches programme tonight on C4/C4+1 at 8/9pm is called Post Office Undercover. It's a follow-up to their previous exposures of "serious systemic and individual failures within the organisation."

Ted Max Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?20,271977,272078#msg-272078 I got one of that ilk, by post, some years ago. I've also, again some time ago, seen some of the content pasted up on the secure box thing outside ED station. Harmless, but I hope he doesn't waste too much of his money.

>Cor it is complicated! If you want to do the advanced course, there are threads on uk.transport.london where people are trying, sometimes through experiment, to work out precise details of how the interaction of Oyster and NR works in all circumstances. Someone there has obtained and posted some TfL internal instructions re OEP and NR PAYG. If you go to http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/oyster_extension_permits#incoming-62007, the relevant URLs are contained in TFL's 29/12/2009 email. Here's an extract: ------- Where do you get it? The OEP is free of charge and can be loaded at touch screen LU POMs, LU ticket office, local ticket outlets; Oyster enabled TVMs and NR ticket office with Oyster issuing equipment. To load an OEP the customer will be required to have a PAYG balance of at least ?1.50 to cover any additional fare due. The OEP can also be removed at the same issuing devices. How will it work? Once the OEP is loaded, when the customer touches-in to start a journey even if it is within a Zone covered by their Season ticket, an entry charge will be deducted from the card. If they touch-out still within the Zonal coverage of their Season ticket, the entry charge will be refunded and the OEP will remain on the card. If they touch-out in another Zone the fare for the additional travel will be deducted from the entry charge, the PAYG balance will be adjusted accordingly and the OEP will be cancelled. Key messages for customers? They need to load an OEP if they wish to extend their journey on a TOC service within the Travelcard zones. Once an OEP is loaded, they must ensure they touch-in and touch-out correctly. The OEP will stay active on the card until it is validated outside of the Zones covered by their Season ticket, an incomplete journey occurs or it is removed. ---------- end of extract ----------- The point about the OEP remaining active is important. As I understand it, should you one day enter an NR gate within your travelcard area having an active OEP and then forget to touch out when exiting, even within your TC area, the OEP entry charge *won't* be corrected, as the system will treat it as an uncompleted journey.

ss, if unOystered or without PAYG credit, then yes, as always, a Boundary Zone 2 to Blackheath ticket is what you would want. I don't know if machines do them as well. Presumably they would at least give you one from the last Z2 station on your route. BUT if you have a TC on an Oyster card with credit you're happy to use, then getting an Oyster Extension Permit would seem to be the thing. http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/oysteronline/5823.aspx#section-5. Hopefully, machines at Victoria may by now be able to give you one. It's important to ensure you touch out at Blackheath. That's my theoretical understanding, anyway.

As I think we eventually agreed in this thread, http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?5,391522, Oyster PAYG used properly is going to be cheaper than paper tickets, and it solves your destination problem as well. Any National Rail zone 1-2 journey is going to be 2.10/1.70 on-/off-peak, and you don't have to make any advance decision. Southern do season tickets as well. Brockley or ED to London Terminals are both 14.40 for a weekly, according to http://tickets.southernrailway.com/sn/en/JourneyPlanning/SeasonMixingDeck.

I'm wondering in what circumstances this can happen, and guess you are buying a day return at Peckham Rye and then thinking of returning to ED. If that's so you could always, to avoid any doubt and possibility of a penalty fare, just buy a ticket covering you from/to ED. I don't know how, in the real world, an inspector would deal with the apparent technical breach of travelling to ED on a PR ticket. You could try asking on Usenet uk.transport.london, where there are some experts. Or even the next inspector you meet.

TSRGD 2002 paragraph 4 (Interpretation - general) http://www.opsi.gov.uk/SI/si2002/20023113.htm seems to include a definition of a Controlled Parking Zone and the various ways in which it can be signed. The diagrams themselves are in a schedule at the end.

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