I'm with ????'s re the lager thing. Holsten Pils was the first propper lager I remember back in 82, it was all about the quality, purity and tradition. I remember seperate fridges and the likes, it was good Then bottled Grolsch came along (I still have the scar where someone smashed one into my face) and things developed from there, from what I remember. Actually, that was the advent for premium pumped lagers that had been sold previously in bottles. Fosters, Heineken and the likes followed Yuk to most of them now. Mind I did drink a pint of Doombar this weekend in Cornwall, that stuff is the new lager, surely ?