Seabag

The new party, what will it be called? The Nicer Than Them Party We Tell Our Lies Honestly

East Dulwich Endz Alan Know that!

Andrex Leadsom is a slippery eel of a politician, just horrible, probably loved by the party to the point of adoration And there's something of the Edwina Curry about her Oh lord, I feel like the hermit in the cave who was made to speak after years of silence, and my first words were "Edwina Curry" *washes tongue* Mrs T for me please, Terresa May that is. And who'd have thought that we'd be endorsing that now The country has truly farted, and followed through this time http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/09/andrea-leadsom-tea-party

steveo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > We've struck a rich vein in the Foxy/Louisa show I was wondering what might 'appear' once the Brexit dust settled steveo I've pulled up a deluxe sofa to watch this one HD & Quadraphonic switched to MAX Come join me (does that sound creepy?)

I'm aiming to buy a Panamera GTS as my VW T5 is getting a little dull Happy to pay the 'new charges' if ness http://www.porsche.com/uk/models/panamera/panamera-gts/

Post #Brexit I've given in to it all My world has inverted and the new view is taking some adjustment So I'm 'just looking' not touching at the mo

I love this thread

I always have a bike in my vehicle, which I park up and ride the rest of whatever journey When I'm in my office at Canary Warf, I cycle everywhere to see client, or jump the tube at a push Health benifits and the sheer freedom is awesome, plus riding the canals as a cut through East to North is good I think you got to mix it up, I'm just about to buy my second Brompton (wore the first one out, it's dead) There's so many cycle paths now

I'd deffo go to Penge, and South Norwood (though it feels a bit suburban in parts) If you need to be in striking range of London, there's lots going on down Croydon way (did I just say that?)

Buy a bike maybe? It's a surprisingly good option

If there's heat and it feels like your skin is about to rip off as you stand, and the skin goes vey smooth and glassy almost, then it could be Cellulitus. I've just had a third bout in about 5 years However, there's usually a groin pain in the lymph glands to go with it. But if it is Cellulitus then move on that, as it's quite fast in it's progress. Go to the Beckenham beacon if you get no luck, it's a drop in NHS place\ Take care

I'm not sure Spain or France are any more joined up. Spain often describes itself as 5 countries in one. And France don't date ask the question. However, we are here and we got here is one of the great questions. How we go forwards is the ultimate challenge now So I'm going onwards with that in mind

With hindsight, I'm sure some of the feelings of at what's happened in this country have been wrapped into some deep and buried feelings we've possibly harboured. I'd hoped to think this bubble we live in actually existed all over, but in truth it doesn't. I moved here from a seaside town on the south-coast and I'd grown up in the countryside and some of my education had been at boarding school, some in Europe too. And as I dig into my thoughts of all those places, it reveals what I'd always known and observed. All those places have a margin of tolerance, often about class, money, gender, sexuality and if you're not born & bred there, then where you're from. I'd felt a little of it, as I'd moved often. It's often linked to families, schools, clubs, towns, villages and the likes. And there's a language and a mindset there, top to bottom and filled often in-between. It's about who fits in & who doesn't. I've heard it in pubs deep in the countryside, after a hunt (and all classes are represented here) I've heard it at Rugby/Golf/Sailing/Working/Social clubs and it holds in the air too. Not alway like rain, but often there's a dampness of it. It can be racism, sexism, class and just about anything, but much about what 'those people' are not, how they're different/can't/don't fit in. But it's often very very subtle, almost silent or supported with a gesture. But rarely in your face, though I've seen and heard it many many times. And often these are very nice decent and loving people, they just can't see that what they say and how they see it is bigoted/racist/narrow minded. And when you point it out, they're shocked and often offended. Though if you do it often enough, you become 'Oh, you're one of them!". I've heard defences of the most comedy kind "But I go to the curry house, I'm not a racist' I know why I came to London to live, it was as much to get away from the mindset, as to explore new kind of life, to have a healthy anonymity. Living in London isn't easy (not in the beginning), it makes you confront many things, and many people. Which in turn is interesting, challenging and very different in comparison to the life I'd led before. And yes, I've had to detox some of the attitudes and ways of seeing things that stuck to me from before. And maybe that personal journey in itself is what makes you more tolerant, when you meet others who move here, you get some of what that's like. It's a work in progress, one that needs checking often Which brings me back to the here and now. I'm glad I voted as I did, though it also challenged me to see others I know, family and friends vote otherwise. But I look at where they are or where they're from and I get it. Some are still down on the coast, some come from nearer by, the Bromley fringes, where "going up London" is the way you describe a day out. And those areas are little to no different to much of this country. My only concern is when 'we' by nature of living in London automatically assume we're OK, our tolerant way is that we live 'cheek by jowl' in this Metropolis. But our prejudice and other less savoury aspects of our mindsets, still need to be explored, less they sit seething under a veneer of an outwardly constructed tolerant face. And then in the quite of a voting booth, we silently express our real feeling on a ballot paper. I've been here in London for about 25 years, though I'd worked up here for 10 years before that. It's the longest I've stayed in any one place, it fascinates me endlessly, it's home, I've had a family here, cried & loved and seen so much, it is home. I'm not going to change, other than I'll be as upfront and straight forwards when maybe before I'd shut up to keep the peace. Family is family, you don't have to like them. And to shed some flimsy friends, can be but a good thing. We are better united in the next moves forwards, no matter how we got here, we must go forwards with as much strength as possible. Confront pre justice and all that entails, both from within and around us

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Seabag Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Oh here we go, the dripping tap/font of > knowledge > > is back > > Just one of my favorite singer songwriters of all > time.. > Standing for Peace and agaist War .. against > Racism for the last 40+ years and still doing > it.. > Arlo and Pete Seeger - Environmental Activist, > Anti-War Activist > > Have you even heard of Arlo Guthrie. ? > > Spice Girls perhaps > > D.F. Spice Girls were great Did they sing that too 🤔

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Springs to Mind.. > > You're the one we voted for, so you must take the > blame > For handing out authority to men who were insane > You say its all fixed up now, you've got new guys > on the line > But you had better remember this while you still > got the time > Mothers still are weeping for their boys that > went to war > Father still are asking what the whole damn thing > was for > And People still are hungry and people still are > poor > And on this week of work these days don't feed > the kids no more > > Arlo Gutherie - Presidential Rag > > http://www.lyricsfreak.com/a/arlo+guthrie/presiden > tial+rag_20295552.html Oh here we go, the dripping tap/font of knowledge is back

Indeed I'm slapping myself onwards ????'s

Theresa May is nodding off in the House of Commons Poor woman, looks like she's not slept a wink of late

???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > agree Rah - it's done. We need to move on and get > on with the next stage. But either the economy's > fooked OR those that expected the end of > immigration from the EU are going to be > disappointed... I'll go for economy over other people's disappointment They can get over the disappointment

And look at The Tories They're lining up a number of potential leaders, like ants, getting on with what's there And Labour, fiddling with point scoring and mandates. How really can they put up a credible front for an election It's painful

Maybe it's simpler to say this If you knew before what you know now That the substantial claims to redirect funds to the NHS were false That the two campaigns to leave were actually 'one' That the PM, Johnson, Farrage would walk That the game was mostly a power struggle within the Tory party That Farrage and his claims were right-wing fear mongering That no-one from leave had a plan, or even a sketch of what might be ahead That the voters would vote the same? All 17 million odd

I'm not supporting Blair either btw But I'm not loosing focus on 'we need to have a plan' here and now. Chilcot is currently (with the greatest respect) a distraction

Weirdly out of some kind of loyalty (to Labour) and as a personal smokescreen, Blair handed Corby a bun, in that he gave him ammo to use against him, but also gain some movement towards an 'in plan' of his own to give Labour a lift, a direction 'an opposition' even http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/14595419.Blair_suggests_Brexit_not_a_done_deal_and_if_will_of_people_changed__it_could_be__quot_revisited_quot_/ But Corbyn's absolute intractable beligerence re Blair, stops him making any move, other than his wish to bury him, that might give Blair the softer glow he thinks he's after post Chilcot. The country can wait, Jez is after the saw-dust in the Blair doll effigy, that's his fatuous focus right now Paranoia is beast fed by conversations in the head, of which Corbyn is currently manic with

Germans are way more organised, it will always be so. We're now a divided country without a leader, where one half hates Europe, and possibly each other and the strong possibility of a general election ahead They are way more stable, with an experienced head of state, with a strong manufacturing ethos and the support of the rest of EU Not the best baseline to come to the table unprepared from

Given the level of desertion and backstabbing in the trenches of frontline politics, I reckon most people are far enough away 'in the mind anyway' of too much sticky-dirt from the past. Sure the sh*t will smell, but not as bad as the air does right now I'm not dismissing Chilcot (just look at the cost) but I'm also focused on the here and now, and in that NOBODY seems to be in a good place. Hence Corbyn & Co need to stand up and look over the landscape proper, instead of through this distorted periscope they seem fixated on. HELLO JEREMY, there's a new war going on! *points to Westminster* And if I hear the bloody word "mandate" once more from that bunch, or any other, I'll throw the Roberts Radio into the canal

I like the gentility of having words (the foreign ones often) to mask the harshness of 'our' language (whatever that is ffs) Where's the loo? Is way nice than 'Lavatory' or God forbid 'Crapper' Quiche vs Flan? Well quiche is for me savoury, whereas flan is 'generally' sweet, other than Bacon & Egg in a rougher flan type pastry I refuse to live in a cave, I'll reserve that right for the 17 million odd others