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I think it is inevitable that any space (indoor or otherwise) where viral spread can not be controlled will be ordered to lockdown when seasonal infections arrive. Pubs are particularly at risk because drunk people forget the rules. It is as simple as that, and the empirical evidence is already showing a slow incremental rise in infection rates linked to pubs.

Seconded on avoiding places that will put her down if not rehomed. She is chipped so I think it is worth hanging on for a few days to see if the registered owner can be found. She may well have been stolen at some point too, but if the registered owner rehomed her, there might be a lead there too.

And to push the point TE44, because this really matters and you are spreading misinformation. Isolation of the virus, is essential for growing pathogens in labs that can then be worked on for vaccines. It is one of the first things scientists strive do to when presented with either a new virus or new strains of a known virus. To claim otherwise is just false. And the more the covid virus is observed, the more its impacts on ACE2 receptors in other parts of the body, like the brain for example are becoming known. It will take years to fully understand every aspect of covid, and yet you still try to downgrade it to the level of a virus we not only have the ability to vaccinate against, but one that covid has surpassed the annual global death toll from in just months. How high do you think the death toll would have been without the pandemic measures? How high do you think it will be after we go through a winter of spread on the back of seasonal coughs and colds? The government is absolutely right to start mitigating now for what could happen over the winter if we take our eye off the ball. And face coverings absolutely will be a part of that mitigation.

T44, you are a broken record that keeps repeating the same flawed opinion. Again, it has been explained to you again and again why this is NOT flu. Have you learned nothing? Or do you just refuse to learn full stop? Go and catch the virus if you really want it that much. But don't tell other people how to look after themselves or take offense if they accuse you of risking their health when you ignore the government advice. Come November, we will be having a very different conversation, I can assure you of that. And btw, the virus WAS isolated as far back as in March. A Canadian team were among the first to do so. I suggest you widen your research beyond the confirmation bias you seek.

Now you are being deliberately sarcastic TE44 whilst posting science you seem not to understand. The covid sample test has nothing to do genome sequencing and this study, so why are you conflating the two and posting irrelevant links that claim the virus has never been isolated? This is completely false. The virus has been isolated by labs in most countries. There are many electron microscopic photos of it. I've had this out with you before so why do you keep repeating the same falsehood? Also, the report makes comparisons with other studies that failed to find similar results before going on to explain what was different in the methodology in this study. You seem to have completely misread the point of this comparison and ignored their findings as a result. The study I posted is remarkable because it proves the active form of the virus can transmit intact airborne as stated here; 'Results: SARS-CoV-2 genomic RNA (vRNA) was detected by real-time reverse transcriptase quantitative polymerase chain reaction (rRT-qPCR) in material collected by air samplings 1-1, 1-3, 2-1, and 2-3, which had been performed without a HEPA filter covering the inlet tube.' And what is a HEPA Filter TE44? A mesh designed to trap fine particulates. And what does the report say when a HEPA filter is used? 'In contrast, in the presence of a HEPA filter, no SARS-CoV-2 genomes were detected in air samplings 1-2 and 2-2 (Table 1).' The evidence from this study is that SARS CoV-2 can travel airborne, and that the right kind of barrier can stop it traveling. What is still questionable though, is how high a level of particulates needs to be present to infect others (viral load). The study makes a reasonable conclusion here; 'Unlike previous studies, we have demonstrated the virus in aerosols can be viable, and this suggests that there is an inhalation risk for acquiring COVID-19 within the vicinity of people who emit the virus through expirations including coughs, sneezes, and speaking.' This has implications when those seasonal colds and coughs hit in the winter and the measures the government may well end up forcing everyone to adhere to. But more bizarre is your contradictory criticism of the advice designed to keep spread to a minimum. Are you determined to catch this thing or something?

Quite Katgod, and there is now emerging research of airbourne infection of up to 4 meters. The Winter is going to be a real challenge if people don't start understanding the part all these small measures play. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-latest-airborne-aerosol-outbreaks-social-distancing-a9667706.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1597267298 The research paper here; https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.08.03.20167395v1.full.pdf

In France you have no choice in the matter. Asia too. No-one has died because they wore a mask in the shops. The over reaction is the outrage at being asked to wear a simple face covering, so they you don't breathe germs on anyone else.

I have exactly the same washing basket and coffee table at home! Best purchase ever ;)

I stand by my point TE44. Let's leave it there.

TE44, we are in the midst of a pandemic. So cease with the word salad and twisting my comments. I am not talking about people with asthma and you well know it. I am talking about perfectly healthy people who simply refuse to follow the advice for everyone's protection out of their own selfish refusal to understand why they are being asked to wear one for the few minutes they spend in a shop.

We do not like in a germ free environment though, and our immune systems are constantly working. We only get ill when the immune system is challenged temporarily. Mostly it catches up and gets us well. Sometimes it does not. I think it is perfectly reasonable to point out that most people refusing to wear masks are being selfish, because they are. They have no genuine reason for not complying and will no doubt be the ones coughing and sneezing all over the place when seasonal colds kick in. They are also causing more fear for those who genuinely do have to shield. We wear the masks to protect others from our own germs if we are carrying the virus. That is an act of consideration. Those who don't wear one, don't care who gets ill, including the genuinely vulnerable.

Why do people pay huge amounts to people traffickers? Because they are desperate to find a better life. If we are talking about economic migrants, often the money is scraped together by an entire family, just to get one person into a country where they can earn money they can send back. Others borrow the money and then end up as economic slaves of the traffickers. All of that is a reflection of the economic failure of the country of origin. Others however, are fleeing torture, persecution, violence, war, genuine threat to life. Personal means are irrelevant in those cases. There are more of us on the planet with diminishing resources. The climate is changing and the ability for people to live in a lot of places is going to change with it. While we have great inequalities between nations, there will continue to be illegal migration.

There are only a tiny amount of people who might find wearing a mask difficult for health reasons. That vast majority of people who are not complying just aren't bothering for their own selfish reasons. Once the seasonal coughs and colds begin to emerge, compliance will have to be enforced.

No Keano, asylum seeker means a person who asks for the right to remain on asylum terms. That is what 'seeker' means. This is very easily measured. Whether or not those asylum applications are successful or not, is a different matter. And since when did a person's means define their need for asylum? A person fleeing torture can be either wealthy or poor. As for the migrants arriving daily, I have no idea if they are genuine refugees or not. Nor do you. So it is best to not pretend to know eh? Leave it to those whose job it actually is to determine who is genuine and who is not. FYI, around half of all applications are successful. On ignorance, there ARE absolutes. The law as it stands is an absolute. Most leave voters do not have the first understanding of any aspect of EU law, hence their inability often to cite a single piece of legislation that negatively impacts them.

To answer your question Keano, asylum seekers settle in many countries and the UK is not as badly affected as many other EU countries either. Some facts on asylum seekers here. https://fullfact.org/immigration/why-do-migrants-and-asylum-seekers-want-come-uk/

TheCat Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Does it comfort you to pretend that 'many' people > who made a different choice to you are truly that > stupid? Not it doesn't comfort me at all. Ignorance always leads to poor choices and poor choices have consequences.

Yes, because they don't understand the difference between international law and EU law.

j.a. is right. Decent scallops cost ?2-?3 each. That is what you will expect to have to pay.

The migrant boat issue highlights perfectly how hard it is to close borders when you are an island. It also illustrates how leaving the EU does not free us from international law and many other things we are signed up to outside of the EU. Many people voted Brexit falsely believing we could ignore all of that after leaving. I even asked one guy yesterday how he proposed we force the French to let us land and unload boats and planes of migrants we are refusing to process after he demanded we force them back to France. It's easy to get angry. Not so easy to find solutions that work.

lol Spartacus! I've already had 'the look' from the wife.

Isn't this a bit like the question 'why is it nearly always the man that drives?' one. I suspect the evolution of BBQ thing comes from men being butchers and preparing all things meat. And we probably have the Victorians to thank for it, as with many things. Nowadays though, I think women are just smart enough to know that if you can get a man to do the donkey work, let them do it ;)

Decent scallops are not cheap and never have been. And the best and freshest scallops are always going to be found in fishmongers who tend to get fish daily from a night before catch. Turning vegetarian saved me a fortune in the end ;)

What has a few people protesting the arrest of a drug dealing boy got to do with the Mayor? People protest in London all the time for all sorts of reasons. Nothing to do with the Mayor whatsoever.

Ahhhh so inverse snobbery is at the root of DBS's trolling then? How original.

Abe_froeman Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Well Rishi Sunak has just made himself the most > profligate chancellor the country has ever seen, > helping many local people survive covid and stay > off the dole. And just you wait to see how he decides to claw the money back afterwards. Then we can talk ;)